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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On Thursday 19 October 2017 02:40 AM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<br>
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<div class="WordSection1">snip<span
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<p class="MsoNormal">is your problem only about what Trump admin
will do with a "jurisdictional immunity for ICANN" proposal?
Were you really ready for it before Trump came to power, and
when he will not be in power? I hope you do not run away and
actually answer these questions."<br>
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<span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ve
already answered this question, you just didn’t pay
attention to the answer. My problem with most forms of
immunity, other than IOI, that have been proposed is that
most formulations of it make ICANN immune from all kinds of
laws that we don’t want it to be immune from, and would
undermine its accountability. E.g., antitrust law,
California laws supporting the empowered community concept,
and so on.
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So the fact that Turmp admin is unlikely to grant immunity is not
your principal problem here. Good to be clear, bec in your earlier
email this was the issue you mentioned with partial immunity.
Clearly, you will still oppose customised immunity even if any other
US admin was in place.<br>
<br>
You then list your problems with "most forms of immunity, other than
IOI".....<br>
<br>
But why do so when all customised immunity discussions are taking
with regard to IOI Act, and all proposals for immunity I have seen
are as under that Act... dont you instead tell your problems with
non IOI immunity..... Tell them about immunity under the US's
International Organisations Immunity Act becuase that is the
proposal on the table...<br>
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California law supporting ICANN's corporate governance functions
including the new community mechanism will be excluded under such
IOI immunity.....<br>
<br>
As for anti-trust law<br>
<br>
it is possible to carve out things we want to carve out from such
immunities.<br>
<br>
Meanwhile, would you give an example of possible anti-trust issue
that ICANN can get into (I understand .xxx also has some such issues
in its law suit)....<br>
<br>
And also remember that US anti-trust machinery works with full
regard to US's geo- economic interests, as the FTC did in rejecting
its staff's report on anti trust problems with Google, on issues
similar to those reg which EU has now found Google guilty.. You want
such anti trust enforcements on ICANN that serve US's geo-eco
interests? So it is a question whether US's anti trust, and other
regulatory and legal machineries, are really the way to keep ICANN
on a tight leash...But again, various carve outs are possible.... <br>
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parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dr.
Milton L Mueller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Professor,
<a href="http://spp.gatech.edu/" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="color:#0563C1">School of Public Policy</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Georgia
Institute of Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Internet
Governance Project
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><a
href="http://internetgovernance.org/"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span style="color:#0563C1">http://internetgovernance.org/</span></a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Both you and I know this to be a fact. But
if with no chance of Trump admin giving a general OFAC licence
to ICANN we can pursue that recommendation, we can as well do
so with regard to customised immunity. It is our job to tell
what is the right thing for ICANN, let political authorities
do it when they can. <br>
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</span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Do
you or do you not want non-US registrars to be clearly
told by ICANN that the RAA does not by itself commit them
to abiding by OFAC sanctions?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Yes, I think they should be so told. But I dont agree for
making this or other recs without making the customised
immunity rec....
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Do
you or do you not want to require ICANN to seek an OFAC
license for any (non-SDP) registrar who needs it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Yes, I agree ICANN should. If I remember right I was the first
to quote in the sub-group's elist the part from ICANN terms
and conditions that said they are under no obligation to seek
OFAC license and point to the inappropriateness of it. But I
dont agree for making this or other recs without making the
customised immunity rec.... <br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Do
you or do you not want there to be a choice of law
addition to the contracted parties’ contracts?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Same answer as above.<br>
<br>
Although I have a question for you here. I dont see the group
having made a clear rec to ICANN to give them a real choice of
law, like it would have been if the "menu option" had been
exclusively recommended. The menu option is just one among
many options given to ICANN and ICANN may choose any... One of
the options is actually to make clear that there will only be
one set of law governing all contracts- the law of US gov and
that of the state of California...... ICANN may well choose
this option from the set given in the sub groups recs.....
what happens then.... We would have regressed considerably
from the current situation where at least choice of law is not
mentioned and left open. The question to you is: is my
interpretation wrong?<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">If
you answer No to all these question you are indeed
disagreeing with the subgroup recommendations,
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MY answers are as above, and I am disagreeing with the group's
recommendation. <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">and
you are de facto in favor of upholding the status quo,
because the status quo is the only actual alternative to
the consensus recommendations.
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Really, I love the status quo!!! That Thatcherite "there is no
alternative" -- you know how activists hate it...
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Looking
forward to your answers.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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I provided them. Now, as a return courtesy , will you answer
the question I had asked, and I say it again<br>
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"You often speak about intellectual honesty. Let me take you
up on it: is your problem only about what Trump admin will do
with a "jurisdictional immunity for ICANN" proposal? Were you
really ready for it before Trump came to power, and when he
will not be in power? I hope you do not run away and actually
answer these questions."<br>
<br>
Thanks, parminder<br>
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parminder [<a
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 17, 2017 9:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mueller, Milton L <a
href="mailto:milton@gatech.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true"><milton@gatech.edu></a>;
Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira
<a href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br"
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<a
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<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">acct-staff@icann.org</a>; <a
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gac@icann.org</a>; GAC <a
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ws2-jurisdiction
<a href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction@icann.org"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction] Jurisdiction
Subgroup. Draft Report. Statement of Brazil. Annex.
To be annexed to the draft report. For consideration
by the CCWG.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Monday 16 October 2017 11:18 PM,
Mueller, Milton L wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">By
the way, after additional review of these “dissenting”
materials I have come up with an interesting finding:
none of them actually disagree with the
recommendations we did come up with, and neither of
them disputes that there is consensus for the actual
recommendations. They simply say that the
recommendations are not enough for them.
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This is a wrong reading of what is a consensus. Consensus
relates to a whole set of recs, and the whole report, not
parts of it. One may not otherwise disagree, for instance,
with a particular motherhood and apple pie statement (they
are meant not be disagreed with), but disagree with it
constituting the whole of recs or the report of a group.
That would still be an absence of consensus for that
statement to be the rec of that group. (Those who are
involved with the Working Group on Enhanced Cooperation
will know how its final stages to develop a report suffers
from a similar dilemma.)<br>
<br>
A report is as significant in terms of what it does not
say as what it says...... If there is no consensus on
changing the status quo, there isnt one on keeping it
either. And the dissonance is so very significant that
some members would want to dissociate from some weak
formulations that have been compiled as agreed outcomes of
the group, which simply do not address key issues of the
mandate given to the group.
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<br>
Let me try to explain it another way. Lets say that there
has been a great humanitarian crisis owing to human/
political reasons and a committee is formed to report on
its facts and the required action by the world community.
If some members try to develop a report that greatly
under-reports the nature and extent of the calamity (as is
done in this jurisdiction sub group's report regarding
facts of the many very significant problems about
continued US jurisdiction over a key global governance
function) and comes up with some very weak mitigating
measures, like saying that for the next many weeks free
water supplies should to maintained for the whole area,
others members may dissent with that report, without
necessarily being against the "water supply" part.... They
are apt to disassociate from and condemn the whole report,
doing which would certainly be a meaningful exercise, in
putting emphasis on what the committee was abdicating from
rather than what it was recommending. Similar is the
situation with our dissent notes with respect to the
jurisdiction sub-group's report..<br>
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parminder <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So
what the dissent is about, really, is that they could
not achieve consensus on their own position regarding
a much broader take on jurisdiction and immunity. And
yet we all know that their position could never
achieve consensus. So their disputing the consensus
basis of this report amounts to a block what most of
us could agree on
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<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>parminder<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 16, 2017 3:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira <a
href="mailto:thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br"
moz-do-not-send="true">
<thiago.jardim@itamaraty.gov.br></a>; <a
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true">
accountability-cross-community@icann.org</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction Subgroup. Draft Report. Statement
of Brazil. Annex. To be annexed to the draft
report. For consideration by the CCWG.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Dear
All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Enclosed
is the complete document of my dissenting opinion,
which now includes part 2 as well (with some
modifications in part 1) as a single document.
Please ignore the earlier submitted document.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">This
is for CCWG's consideration. Also for jurisdiction
sub-group, assuming that it continues to function.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">parminder
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sunday 15 October 2017 11:51
PM, parminder wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Dear
All</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
fully support the excellent "statement of Brazil",
which makes the required point very well. The
sub-group should consider the draft
recommendations made in the statement. In default,
the CCWG should directly consider them.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">My
own dissenting opinion is enclosed. It is in two
parts, part 1 is about what was the group's
mandate to do but it failed to do. This part first
expresses support to Brazil's statement, and then
makes additional points, detailing how there has
been a miscarriage of due process, and thus
justifying why Brazil's draft recs must be
considered, in the required elaborate manner. Part
one is enclosed herewith.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Part
two will present some comments on and
disagreements with regard to the two sets of draft
recs that have been submitted on the sub-group's
behalf. I am still to write them, so allow me to
submit them in the next 12 hours, which will still
be the weekend in some parts of the world, and
thus within the deadline I hope.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards, parminder </span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sunday 15 October 2017 06:43
AM, Thiago Braz Jardim Oliveira wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Dear
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">On
behalf of the Brazilian Government, I
hereby submit the "Statement of Brazil"
and its annex, which are to be annexed to
the draft report of the jurisdiction
subgroup, submitted on 11 October 2017,
for consideration by the CCWG plenary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Thiago</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">De:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">
</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> [</span><a
href="mailto:ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org" moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">ws2-jurisdiction-bounces@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">] em
nome de Greg Shatan [</span><a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">]<br>
<b>Enviado:</b> quinta-feira, 12 de
outubro de 2017 23:29<br>
<b>Para:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:accountability-cross-community@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">accountability-cross-community@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Cc:</b> </span><a
href="mailto:acct-staff@icann.org"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">acct-staff@icann.org</span></a><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">;
ws2-jurisdiction<br>
<b>Assunto:</b> Re: [Ws2-jurisdiction]
Jurisdiction Subgroup Draft Report for
CCWG-Accountability Plenary Review</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">One
of the Subgroup members pointed out a
minor editing error in the document.
On pages 13-14, there were several
mentions of the RAA, when in fact the
language quoted and discussed was from
the </span><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN">ICANN Terms and Conditions
for Registrar Accreditation
Application. (The reference was
correct in the Executive Summary.)
This has now been fixed in the
attached.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 12, 2017
at 10:10 PM, Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Some
minor formatting errors crept
into the Report when it was
converted from Word to PDF. A
new PDF of the report is
attached. I've checked each page
to confirm that the formatting
errors were resolved.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Thank
you to Jorge Cancio for catching
this problem!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#888888">Greg</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed,
Oct 11, 2017 at 7:53 PM,
Greg Shatan <<a
href="mailto:gregshatanipc@gmail.com"
target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">gregshatanipc@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am pleased to
submit the Draft
Report from the
Jurisdiction
Subgroup for
consideration by the
CCWG-Accountability
Plenary.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">It is my
understanding that a
minority viewpoint
is expected to be
submitted. In the
interests of time,
this will be
submitted to the
Plenary separately
from the Draft
Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">During
the preparation of
the OFAC
Recommendation,
the Subgroup
considered an
email where a
registrar declined
to do business
with a potential
reseller, based on
the registrar’s
policy of not
doing business
with people with
Iranian
passports. The
Subgroup also
learned that this
registrar, which
had been
registering
domains for a
number of Iranian
nationals, refused
to continue to do
business with
them. The
Subgroup has
concluded that, to
the extent these
instances are
related to OFAC,
the concerns
raised by these
instances are
adequately covered
in the
Recommendation
already without
any additional
changes. This is
not in any way a
comment on the
validity of these
particular
concerns. The
Subgroup will
consider creating
"<span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">stress</span> <span
class="m-1922489801139394888m-1211245373740868748gmail-il">tests</span>"
based on these
scenarios.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I
look forward to the
Plenary's reading of
the Draft Report.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Best
regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Greg
Shatan</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Rapporteur</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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