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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif">The notes, recordings and transcripts for</span><span style="font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif"> WS2
<b>SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #12 </b>from <b>23NOV16 @ 05:00 UTC</b></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif"> will be available here:&nbsp;&nbsp;<a href="https://community.icann.org/x/w5DDAw">https://community.icann.org/x/w5DDAw</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cambria&quot;,serif">&nbsp;A copy of the notes and chat are found below.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">WS2 - SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #12 | Wednesday, 23 November @ 05:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">1. Review of any AI's from call #11 on October 20th see&nbsp; https://community.icann.org/x/mJDDAw[community.icann.org]&nbsp;
 (5 min CLO)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Farzaneh Badi excuse. No one on audio only. Any changes to agenda (none and no other AOB).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">2. Update on any Sub Team Activities since our last call (5 min SDB/FB)<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Action items since last call. Call for volunteers for the two teams - methodology to review survey results. Giovani Sepia has accepted to participate. Also ask
 Thomas Rickert for volunteers from RSSAC and SSAC. Proposed approach should be reviewed at the mid-December meeting. Second recommendation is to move this group from a track 2 to a track 1 timeline. We will confirm this to the co-chairs on the plenary. Second
 drafting team to look at reframing of the existing report material and ongoing reporting - still looking for more volunteers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco: Repackaging of the progress report to the plenary in Hyderabad. Looks at how to present conclusions and recommendations. Any conclusions included are simply place
 holders which can be revised based on my expectations. (review of document).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Alan Greenberg: question on global public interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Kavous Arasteh: several issues are being discussed simultaneously. IRP applicable to SOAC?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco: These words have been with us since the beginning. We cannot say what Applicable means until we get to the third track.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Kavous Arasteh: Concept of mutual accountability is only conceptual need to turn it into something practical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="FR-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria: question about internal accoutability notion.
</span><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">How does this internal responsibility include outreach etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco: We are waiting on each SOAC to answer the survey on this to see what is being done.
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria: If they are internally responsible how can they be held responsible for outreach?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco: There are some questions on this. This will be highly specific to each SOAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria: still a pending question regarding this type of accountability which would have to be more than just internal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Sebastien Bachollet: We should balance the question of mutual accountability - we need to be accountable to our neighbors. We need to have this discussion. Internal vs External
 can be a complex issue for some SOACs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco: (discussion of ccNSO vs gNSO).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria:&nbsp; the same linguistic problem that this group has with mutual accountability came up in staff accountability discussions.&nbsp; also felt that the word accountability was
 too <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Kavous Arasteh: who is accountable to who and break down per SOAC. Hierarchy of accountability is important to understand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco: This is covered in the questions we have sent to the SOACs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Kavous Arasteh: On Accountability roundtable need to consider recent email exchange. How do we implement this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Kavouss -- MAR is as-described by the email where our expert (Willie Currie) introduced the concept<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria: i favor a transparent process for MAR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria: i think giving this up&nbsp; would be a loss<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Christopher Wilkinson: (muffled audio) would be difficult to institutionalize/formalize this. Finally, we need to keep things simple. Overall agree with SDB.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: @Avri -- Sebastien seems to agree.&nbsp; I would encourage you two draft an alternative recommendation, please !
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: On MAR let us leave it as it is in the text now (SDB text recommending not to endorse implementation of MAR). Encourage people to join this drafting team and
 put in alternatives. Let us leave this as an open option until early in the new year. Separately is there a place for a separate document for implementing recommendations? Please think about this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: regarding transparency, please note that one of our questions to each AC/SO is &quot;Transparency mechanisms for your AC/SO deliberations, decisions, and
 elections&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Avri Doria: i think the recommendation should be bracketed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]: Avri -- in brackets, it says [preliminary recommendation]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">3. CONTINUATION of Agenda from meeting #11<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">(folded into previous discussions)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;line-height:106%"><b><span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">17 November 1900<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">23 November 0500 (note this is a Wednesday meeting to allow for US thanksgiving)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">1 December 1300 (back to Thursday meetings going forward)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">8 December 1900<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">15 December 0500<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">22 December - no meeting<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">29 December - no meeting - no staff available<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">5 January - no meeting - difficult to get participants before the next Monday<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">12 January 1300<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">19 January 0500<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">26 January 1300<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">2 February 1900<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">9 February 0500<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">16 February 1300<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">23 February 1900<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">2 March 0500<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">9 March 1300<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">16 March 1900<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">23 March 0500<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormalCxSpMiddle" style="margin-bottom:8.0pt;mso-add-space:auto;line-height:106%;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4">
<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">30 March 1300<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span lang="EN-CA" style="line-height:106%;font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: No other business. Reminder that this group only has 12 meetings prior to ICANN 58 and there is much work to be done. Need participants to work on documents
 and positions.Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Welcome all to the WS2 - SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #12 | Wednesday, 23 November @ 05:&nbsp; 00 UTC!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; Hi Yevette<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Hi Kavouss - can you hear me?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Calling you Kavouss<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Kavouss - checking audio for you but didn't get a response<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; can you hear me?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; just want to make sure your audio is working before the call starts<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Kavouss?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; hello all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; Hi everyone... 3 mins to start time<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; steve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; &nbsp;GM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; PLS SPEAK SLOWLY ALL THE TIME<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Sync enabled if needed<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; that should have said scrolling enabled<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Tom Dale (ACIG GAC Secretariat):&nbsp; Thanks Yvette.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Sebastien (ALAC):&nbsp; Seams not to be in my mail box :&nbsp; (<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; Steve had to send it to me directly<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Sebastien (ALAC):&nbsp; OK thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; doing that now<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; have sent to Seb<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Sebastien - your doc is in skype now if you need it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; will email as well<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Sebastien (ALAC):&nbsp; Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Draft report emailed to all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; thank you Yvette<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; Correct STeve&nbsp; David is able to join us next week and we trust Sebastien and Herb will be
 involved with this discussion next week as well re IRP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; What we mean by external<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; external to totally outside SO/AC?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; yes, Kavouss<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; Mutual Accountability Roundtable is on the next page, Sebastien.&nbsp; We'll get to ti.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; &nbsp;the same linguistic problem that this group has with mutal accountabilty came up in staff accountabilty
 doscissions.&nbsp; also felt that the word accountabilty was too strong, and that it was more of a notion of mutual collegiality.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; 30 minute mark<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; @Kavouss -- that is indeed our first question to each SO/AC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; noted Benie&nbsp; were on track i Ageda item 3&nbsp; about to move to MAR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; Need to moe onto the next section Steve...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; moe - move<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; :&nbsp; -)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; You can take up to 10 mn on this Steve but lesss is also good ;-)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; Kavouss -- MAR is as-described by the email where our expert (Willie Currie) introduced
 the concept<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; i favor a transparent process for MAR<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; We may say<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; our understanding of the term is<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; and provide our understanding<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; Kavouss, the recommendation says &quot;as described above&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; i think giving this up&nbsp; would be a loss<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; we do not want to give up that all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; @Avri -- Sebastien seems to agree.&nbsp; I would encourage you to draft an alternative recommendation,
 please !<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Christopher - if possible please back up slightly from your microphone - audio is muffled otherwise<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; please mute if not speaking<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; 15 minutes left<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; and we might have a split recommendation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; i.e. bring the question to the the full group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; Christopher - my apologies but we're getting background noise on your line so it was muted<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; if you wish to speak i can unmute you in a heartbeat- no worries there<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Yvette Guigneaux:&nbsp; just wanted you to know<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; is the doc on drive anywhere?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; regarding transparency, please note that one of our questions to each AC/SO is &quot;Transparency
 mechanisms for your AC/SO deliberations, decisions, and elections&quot;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; avri doria:&nbsp; i think the recommendation should be bracketed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; Avri -- in brackets, it says [preliminary recommendation]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Steve DelBianco [CSG - GNSO]:&nbsp; I go with 3rd option, Cheryl<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; https:&nbsp; //<a href="http://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1qwr41BesyvDQBnqF-5FgBQlHfJlRkOGrjHa26iFYU41ac_edit-23gid-3D1330011665&amp;d=DgICaQ&amp;c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&amp;r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&amp;m=Sb5GsIb3M7n9fpS6cgde6jqN39klLQeOY-_TFveWKb8&amp;s=Ghps-oZuf9e6jVCofJSPL8V18QJDQIEaTmPsJK22qCc&amp;e="><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_spreadsheets_d_1qwr41BesyvDQBnqF-5FgBQlHfJlRkOGrjHa26iFYU41ac_edit-23gid-3D1330011665&amp;d=DgICaQ&amp;c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&amp;r=xjNMRR-fjlgBx7tqUEv8lZv2O9RJyMyqWkymcecegCUuwDxFVsW6VBuvkqKnS_lk&amp;m=Sb5GsIb3M7n9fpS6cgde6jqN39klLQeOY-_TFveWKb8&amp;s=Ghps-oZuf9e6jVCofJSPL8V18QJDQIEaTmPsJK22qCc&amp;e=</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Bernard Turcotte:&nbsp; bye all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Kavouss Arasteh:&nbsp; Bye to all<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Sivasubramanian M 2:&nbsp; bye<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Erich Schweighofer:&nbsp; Servus from Vienna<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;color:#333333">&nbsp; Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO):&nbsp; Thanks everyone&nbsp; Bye for now...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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