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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello all,</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The notes, recordings and transcripts for CCWG Accountability WS2
<b>SO/AC Subgroup Meeting #18</b> – 26 January 2017 will be available here: <a href="https://community.icann.org/x/9a-DAw">
https://community.icann.org/x/9a-DAw</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">A copy of the notes may be found below. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">With kind regards,</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Brenda Brewer </p>
<p class="MsoNormal">MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant<span style="font-size:11.0pt">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Notes (including relevant parts of chat)</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">0. Call Administration </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: no updates to SOIs.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">1. Review of any AI's from call #16 on January 12th @1300 UTC (2-5 min) CLO) see https://community.icann.org/x/FJTDAw[community.icann.org]</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (none)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">2. Any Updates:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (none)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">3. Discussion, current DRAFT documentations, readings and review. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">a) Data Capture documentation of input materials from SOAC's - As agreed in last week's call, while exploring methodology, we will
review and discuss, the sample topic from this track from the data capture exercise, 'Transparency' see reference drafts attached to the email from Steve DelBianco received to list <a href="https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-so_ac"><span style="color:#3B73AF;text-decoration:none">https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ws2-so_ac</span></a> earlier
today.</span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Exploration of methodology using one topic only.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Response from ALAC has not been approved by the ALAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Deep dive on Transparency Mechanisms (document). Hope this will provide a method for all aspects of this work. Not
trying to point out failings of any SO or AC - its about finding the best practices. (Review of document).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: looking at the list. items included were based on interpretations of the questions. If we were looking vs capture we
should of mentioned that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: I note that we are supplementing this with our independent research to match the facts from all responses. As to the
second point - the text notes Capture. Transparency can help identify capture - but cannot prevent it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: After this discussion, I can now review my responses to tailor them to these objectives.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: We are open to supplementary information coming in.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Internal or external capture?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Would seem to be mostly Internal capture but not limited to this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Steve, all I was saying that as completing the answers, that was NOT something I focused on DESPITE the Bylaw and my
history with this project. It was not something I focused on.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: we should see this as iterative<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Once something has been vetted, going back and revising may be problematic - not related to this group's rules.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Missing RSSAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: should mention that this internal capture is not addressing Sress Test 18. Which review are you referring to, self
review or different?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: On page 3 section 4.4 of Bylaws says its an independent review.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Kavouss Arasteh: Tks ,then emphasize that in our report<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> Kavouss Arasteh: Pls clarfy the independent process<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Greg Shatan: Concerned about the need for full consensus being part of capture.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: discussion of draft recommendations in document. These are meant to be Best Practices for the SOACs where they are
free to implement and how to implement these. (presentation of the 6 draft recommendations).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Rinalia Abdul Rahim: I personally like the approach of establishing best practices on transparency as a guide/benchmark for SO/ACs.
Some SO/ACs are likely to exceed the baseline, and that is fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge villa (ASO): +1 Rinalia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): I personally agree with you Rinalia<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge villa (ASO): All the SO/ACs are different in structure, composition, interests and functioning. The best practices approach might
provide a common ground on the recommended aspects.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: I like how the recommendations on transparency is done on page 3<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">matthew shears: agree with the approach Steve - sets a good precedent for the work going forward<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: it is to the point, does not call out on any group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): all ALAC, RALO and At-Large meetings unless specifically declared as going into 'camera' for closed to Members
only with declared reason are Open, Recorded ( often in several language options) Transcripts made and where relevant minuted... And all are published to public wki and lists. SOACs should be publish what they are supposed to do.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: We even have interpretation for meetings where it is not actually needed so the others can later listen or read.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: CLO SOACs should publish the details of their transparency requirements. Will add recommendation on open or closed
meeting. Would request more volunteers to do this for the other two points.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: shall we work on outreach next?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: as a part of participation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: I think those that function differently can take these recs or leave it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr (CLO): seems a good suggestion Farzi we will check with the group<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Julf Helsingius: Yes, there are (justified) exceptions<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: We need to somehow say that the best practices for some circumstances where it could not work at all.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: we are not in charge of implementation if they see the recs are not fit, they don't have to do it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: subject to specific and documented Limitations for some group.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: We cannot make it a requirement if they cannot.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">avri doria: apologies for not having sent in the GNSO-NCSG data before now. Just sent it to Steve.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: It is not OUR job, but that job description might be written one day.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Alan Greenberg: Steve, in light of this meeting, I will have a revised version before the end of the day, so perhaps wait until you
see that to integrate ALAC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: okay Alan. I will add this Transparency bit to the Google Doc next<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">jorge villa (ASO): In the world of network operations, the best practices are recommendations (based on the experience of the community).
no one has the obligation of do everything includes on the best practices recommendations. We asume it as main topics to consider (if possible).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: this will need to be continued and would ask more join the drafting teams. FB has suggested we continue with this
approach<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: I think that matches our concept here, Jorge<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Julf Helsingius: I agree<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: Is everyone agreeing that Outreach be our topic for our next call? (no objections). Let us remember to treat these
documents as living documents.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: where Outreach is an activity that is an aspect of participation<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: yes :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Steve DelBianco: Farzi -- would you be able to lead that drafting?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Farzaneh Badii: I will<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">4. Next Meeting and future Meeting schedule </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">· 02 February @ 19:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">· 09 February @ 05:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">· 16 February @ 13:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">· 02 March @ 05:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">5. AOB and review of any AI's. </span></b><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-top:7.5pt;background:white"><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial;color:#333333">Cheryl Langdon-Orr: (none). Adjourned.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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