Re: [lac-discuss-en] ??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity =

To: José Ovidio Salgueiro <salgueiro.jo@xxxxxxxxx>, LACRALO list <lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity =
From: carlosaguirre62 <carlosaguirre62@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:59:57 -0300

Estimados amigos.

Casi siempre he coincidido con Carlton,  esta no es una de esas oportunidades.
Creo debemos y no sÃlo en este caso empezar a defender la condiciÃn y el 
espacio de usuarios finales individuales.  NO Business. NO Goverment.
Por ello he retirado mi apoyo a la candidatura de mi amigo Lance, ya que 
comparto con la mayorÃa la existencia de conflicto de intereses. COMO TAMBIÃN 
EXISTEN EN OTROS DENTRO DE LACRALO.
AdemÃs la posiciÃn del staff en su actuaciÃn en este caso y la de los oficiales 
X no oponerse de hecho ab initio,  me parece, al menos desalentadora,  tanto 
como la defensa de un candidato que no puede ser.



<div>-------- Mensaje original --------</div><div>De: JosÃ Ovidio Salgueiro 
<salgueiro.jo@xxxxxxxxx> </div><div>Fecha:23/07/2015  07:32 PM  (GMT-03:00) 
</div><div>Para: LACRALO list <lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
</div><div>Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 
27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity = 
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Muy bien dicho Sergio.

Y el interesado sigue sin aparecer. Solo llegan sus defensores

2015-07-23 17:59 GMT-04:30 <bronstein.sergio@xxxxxxxxx>:

>
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>
>  Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul
> A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity =
>  From: bronstein.sergio@xxxxxxxxx
>
>  Sometimes you have to read nonsense ...
>  Please let us raise the level of debate.
>  thanks in advance,
>  Sergio Bronstein
>  The 23/07/2015 17.55, <devtee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>  >
> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
> >
> >  Asunto: Re: ÂEs Ãste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
> >  De: devtee@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >  Para seguir en la hipocresÃa (  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
> )
> >  comentarios re: conflicto de intereses.
> >
> >
> >  Esto es lo que estÃ en el perfil de Sergio Salinas Porto:
> >  https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto
> >
> >
> >  &quot;El seÃor Salinas Porto estÃ involucrado en una serie de otras
> > organizaciones internacionales y
> >  organizaciones y proyectos regionales; Ãl es un miembro del Foro para
> >  DemocrÃtica y Popular de ComunicaciÃn, SecretarÃa de Mar de Plata
> >  ComunicaciÃn para la Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, y el Jefe de
> > Nuevo
> >  TecnologÃas y Negocios de la Asamblea de PequeÃos y Medianos
> >  Mar divisiÃn de Empresarios de Plata &quot;.
> >
> >
> >  Entonces, ÂcÃmo es que Sergio no tiene un conflicto de interÃs por ser
> >  LACRALO como un &quot;usuario de negocio&quot;, ya que estÃ involucrado
> > con la Asamblea de
> >  PequeÃos y medianos empresarios?
> >
> >
> >  Saludos,
> >
> >
> >  Dev Anand Teelucksingh
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:44 de la tarde, Carlton Samuels <
> > carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>
> >  escribiÃ:
> >
> >
> > > My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric.
> > And
> > > do please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
> > >
> > > What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
> > >
> > > Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus
> with
> > > the At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the
> Chairman
> > > and its representative to LACRALO.
> > >
> > > Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
> > > services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide.
> DevNet
> > > thusly represents end user interests.  Think of Devnet as Guyana's
> > version
> > > Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
> > >
> > > The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of
> > > his ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies.  He
> derives
> > > his income, his living wage, principally from that business.  He DOES
> NOT
> > > get paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
> > >
> > > Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to
> > > have many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit.  To say
> that
> > > Lance cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests
> when
> > > he's Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the
> ICANN
> > > system - just looks delusional for some of us.
> > >
> > > At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one
> > thing
> > > or other.
> > >
> > > -Carlton
> > >
> > >
> > > ==============================
> > > Carlton A Samuels
> > > Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> > > =============================
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <
> > > apisan@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> > >
> > >>  Carlton,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
> > >> conflict of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once
> > the
> > >> election was in course.
> > >>
> > >>  Simple. No rhetoric needed.
> > >>
> > >>  Alejandro Pisanty
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >>      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> > >> Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM
> > >> Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> > >>
> > >> +525541444475 DESDE MÃâXICO SMS +525541444475
> > >> Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> > >> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> > >> Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> > >> http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> > >> Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> > >> ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> > >> .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> > >>   ------------------------------
> > >> *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> > >> lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] en nombre de Carlton
> > >> Samuels [carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx]
> > >> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
> > >> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >>
> > >> *CC:* Albert Daniels
> > >> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
> > >> At-Large Staff
> > >>
> > >>    I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO
> > >> is debilitating.
> > >>
> > >>  I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
> > >> cannot depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do
> > what
> > >> I must by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
> > >>
> > >>  But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is
> just
> > >> too much and I must break my silence.
> > >>
> > >>  In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by
> bullshit:
> > >>
> > >>   Definitions of bullshit
> > >>   noun
> > >>  stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
> > >>  verb
> > >>  talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>     ÃââIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by
> > At-Large
> > >> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
> > >>
> > >>  Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
> > >> repeat it here for effect.
> > >>
> > >>  In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established
> and
> > >> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying
> all
> > >> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly
> > [s]elected. Ãââ
> > >>
> > >>  But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
> > >> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
> > >>
> > >>  We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
> > >> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire
> [s]election
> > >> process into question.
> > >>
> > >>  So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to
> come
> > >> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it
> is
> > a
> > >> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in
> the
> > >> first place!
> > >>
> > >>  As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same
> for
> > >> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
> > >>
> > >>  Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
> > >> after trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real
> > risk
> > >> of reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
> > >>
> > >>  Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> > >> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
> > >>
> > >>  In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
> > >> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was
> nominated
> > >> unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only
> > for
> > >> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a
> > single
> > >> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
> > >> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
> > >> important ICANN councils.
> > >>
> > >>  I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
> > >> muddy the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline
> Morris
> > >> being de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing
> > to do
> > >> then.
> > >>
> > >>  With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.
> And
> > >> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for
> > Lance
> > >> Hinds.
> > >>
> > >>  It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
> > >> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first
> > place.
> > >>
> > >>  Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our
> now
> > >> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of
> > 'impropriety'
> > >> raised!
> > >>
> > >>  So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
> > >> the guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
> > >> asleep at the switch.
> > >>
> > >>  Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
> > >> operating conditions are applied.
> > >>
> > >>  Go figure.
> > >>
> > >>  -Carlton Samuels
> > >>
> > >>  ==============================
> > >>  Carlton A Samuels
> > >> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > >> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> > >> =============================
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >
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