Re: [lac-discuss-en] [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Verisign Dissing Domainers?
- To: Greg Shatan <greg@xxxxxxxxxxx>, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] [registration-issues-wg] [CPWG] [GTLD-WG] Verisign Dissing Domainers?
- From: Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 01:45:59 +0000 The RAA has always had a provision allowing ICANN to have a Consensus Policy prohibiting reistrars from warehousing or speculation. We have never taken action on this and I cannot see the GNSO ever doing so. The Verisign blog is interesting. Rare that a large company publicly disses its largest customers. Alan At 02/11/2018 03:43 PM, Greg Shatan wrote: This post is actually taking aim primarily at REGISTRARS who buy huge numbers of .com domains at wholesale ($7.85 per domain) and then hold them, in order to try and sell them later for a premium price. Thatâs not really dissing domainers in the general sense, just these registrar-domainers. The writing is a bit sloppy on this point, and the blog pivots to ICA toward the end, but even there, the focus is on the registrar-domainers, not on the general domaining public. Look again at the post, and you will see references to âspeculators❠who buy at a âregulated price.❠Thatâs the Verisign price they are talking about. Regular registrants donât have that opportunity onlly registrars. The â্omainer Name Wire❠article largely misses this point partly because the post is vague and partly becausse of a tendency to ârush to judgment❠in the domaining press. As Jonathan notes, ICA argues itâs protecting the little guy, when they are actually providing loads of protection for some very âbig guy❠registrar-domainers. While this is not âinsider trading,❠it is really a form of diversion based on insider access the registrars abuse their privileged position to bbuy cheap and to buy before any âregular❠registrant (even a domainer) can, and then they hold this portfolio and charge secondary-market prices for domains that are not really in the secondary market. Registrarsâ unique ability to buy domain names directly from the registries was never meant to produce this result. This is a bug, not a feature. The end user domainers should really be pissed off at the registrar-domainers, not at Verisign. (Of course, they are permanently pissed off at Verisign, especially with a price increase in their âcommodity.â) Maybe registrars should be prohibited from buying for their own account for investment purposes. GoDaddy apparently has 2.5 billion reasons to oppose that idea. I donât know if I would call them scalpers (though itâs a fair comparison). I see domainers more like the folks in Boston who get up in the morning, sit down in a lawn chair in a prime parking spot near the Fenway Park baseball stadium, and then sit there until game time approaches. Then they charge you $20 or more to get out of the way so you can park there. This is not entirely accurate either since this is a lot more work than a domainer would put in (at least for a single domain name. Greg On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 3:10 PM Jonathan Zuck < JZuck@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: We'll, it's not particularly easy to take them back. Blog raises some good points about where the money goes. The ICA rhetoric about small business is pretty silly. Jonathan Zuck Executive Director Innovators Network Foundation www.Innovatorsnetwork.org From: GTLD-WG < gtld-wg-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> on behalf of Carlton Samuels < carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, November 2, 2018 2:59:12 PM To: cpwg@xxxxxxxxx; lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [GTLD-WG] [CPWG] Verisign Dissing Domainers? Um,.......hmmmm, a flag up the pole to see who salute you think? Assuming the posting it is sanctioned as official view, what is the end game here? Afterall, they are gifted ownership of every name, known and hitherto unknown, in the .com space! The domainers merely 'rent' them! Hmmm....we have a saying in my corner of empire, 'one hand alone can't clap'. Gotta follow the money. https://domainnamewire.com/2018/11/02/holy-sht-verisign-just-called-out-domain-scalpers-and-its-biggest-customers/ ============================== Carlton A Samuels Mobile: 876-818-1799 Strategy, Process, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround ============================= _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@xxxxxxxxx https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ registration-issues-wg mailing list registration-issues-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/registration-issues-wg _______________________________________________ CPWG mailing list CPWG@xxxxxxxxx https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/cpwg _______________________________________________ registration-issues-wg mailing list registration-issues-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/registration-issues-wg