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Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul A9ste_Tiresome_ = = = utf-8 q = 27_Contra_Large_At-Staff arity =
From: Jacqueline Morris <jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 19:10:19 -0400

I am defending the sanctity of the electoral process and the concept of
democracy. I haven't gone into any issues about Alex's "conflict of
interest" or other issues that people have with the newly elected ALAC
representative. If there were issues, the time to put up other nominees was
adequate, and has long passed. The integrity of the process requires that
you guys respect it and accept the result that YOUR nominations (or lack
thereof) have come up with.
I find it distressing to see so many efforts to subvert the course of
democracy.
Jacqueline

Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:52 PM, <salgueiro.jo@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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>  Subject: Re:??????? = Utf-8 q = C2 = C3 = = BFEs_ 27irregul
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>  From: salgueiro.jo@xxxxxxxxx
>
>  What I see is many people defending the candidacy of Lance Hinds
>  but he does not appear to defend like never appeared in a meeting
>  ALAC conference call or in 10 years.
>
>
>  JOS
>
>
>  07/23/2015 17:17 GMT-04: 30 <jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> :
>  >
> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
> >
> >  Asunto: Re: ÂEs Ãste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
> >  De: jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >  Alex, fue el SoI no presentÃ durante la fase de nominaciÃn? Si habÃa una
> >  conflicto entonces, por quÃ no se planteÃ entonces? ÂPor quÃ sÃlo ahora,
> > mucho despuÃs de la
> >  proceso electoral ha terminado, el nombramiento ratificado por el ALAC y
> >  anunciado pÃblicamente, de acuerdo con las lÃneas de tiempo del ALAC?
> > Entiendo que
> >  algunos podrÃan ser molesto porque no pagaban cerrar suficiente
> atenciÃn,
> > pero yo sÃ
> >  no veo ninguna justificaciÃn para todo el proceso que se deshace.
> >  No habÃa problema con el proceso electoral de todo el correo electrÃnico
> > que tengo
> >  leer. Era justo y correcto y saliÃ de acuerdo a todas las normas y
> >  reglamentos. Para tratar de subvertir ahora porque no te gusta el
> >  resultado es muy mala gobernanza y una traiciÃn a los principios
> > democrÃticos.
> >  Si hay un problema, a continuaciÃn, pruebe a utilizar un proceso de
> > recuperaciÃn si es que existe, pero
> >  por favor no atornillar con la integridad del proceso electoral.
> >  Estoy particularmente apasionado sobre esto, ya que actualmente estoy
> > trabajando para nuestra
> >  Nacional de Elecciones, y hay el mismo tipo de actividades que se
> > realizan -
> >  estamos en un grupo de vigilancia para mantener el proceso democrÃtico
> > transparente y justo. YO
> >  no puede sentarse y observar cÃmo se sobornÃ en LACRALO.
> >  Jacqueline
> >
> >
> >  Jacqueline A. Morris
> >  La tecnologÃa debe ser como el oxÃgeno: Ubicuo, necesario, invisible y
> >  Gratis. (DespuÃs de que Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann>
> )
> >
> >
> >  El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 5:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro
> Pisanty
> > Baruch &lt;
> >  apisan@xxxxxxx&gt; escribiÃ:
> >
> >
> > >  Carlton,
> > >
> > >
> > >  The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable
> conflict
> > > of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the
> election
> > > was in course.
> > >
> > >  Simple. No rhetoric needed.
> > >
> > >  Alejandro Pisanty
> > >
> > >
> > >  - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> > >      Dr. Alejandro Pisanty
> > > Facultad de QuÃÂmica UNAM
> > > Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD
> > >
> > > +525541444475 DESDE MÃâXICO SMS +525541444475
> > > Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com
> > > LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty
> > > Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn,
> > > http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614
> > > Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty
> > > ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org
> > > .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .
> > >   ------------------------------
> > > *Desde:* lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [
> > > lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] en nombre de Carlton
> > > Samuels [carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
> > > *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > *CC:* Albert Daniels
> > > *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
> > > At-Large Staff
> > >
> > >    I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO
> is
> > > debilitating.
> > >
> > >  I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so
> cannot
> > > depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I
> > must
> > > by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
> > >
> > >  But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is
> just
> > > too much and I must break my silence.
> > >
> > >  In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
> > >
> > >   Definitions of bullshit
> > >   noun
> > >  stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
> > >  verb
> > >  talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
> > >
> > >
> > >     ÃââIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by
> At-Large
> > > staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
> > >
> > >  Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
> > > repeat it here for effect.
> > >
> > >  In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and
> > > where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all
> > > other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly
> > [s]elected. Ãââ
> > >
> > >  But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
> > > is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
> > >
> > >  We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
> > > nomination portion of the process without calling the entire
> [s]election
> > > process into question.
> > >
> > >  So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to
> come
> > > along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it
> is a
> > > poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in
> the
> > > first place!
> > >
> > >  As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for
> > > other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
> > >
> > >  Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome
> after
> > > trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk
> of
> > > reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
> > >
> > >  Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> > > Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
> > >
> > >  In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
> > > colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was
> nominated
> > > unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only
> for
> > > the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a
> single
> > > 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
> > > expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
> > > important ICANN councils.
> > >
> > >  I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to
> muddy
> > > the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris
> being
> > > de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do
> > then.
> > >
> > >  With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.
> And
> > > the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for
> > Lance
> > > Hinds.
> > >
> > >  It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
> > > because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first
> > place.
> > >
> > >  Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our
> now
> > > erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of
> > 'impropriety'
> > > raised!
> > >
> > >  So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume
> the
> > > guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even
> asleep
> > > at the switch.
> > >
> > >  Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
> > > operating conditions are applied.
> > >
> > >  Go figure.
> > >
> > >  -Carlton Samuels
> > >
> > >  ==============================
> > >  Carlton A Samuels
> > > Mobile: 876-818-1799
> > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
> > > =============================
> > >
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