Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] ÂEs Ãste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff

To: "'Alejandro Pisanty'" <apisanty@xxxxxxxxx>, "'LACRALO'" <lac-discuss-es@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-es] [lac-discuss-en] ÂEs Ãste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
From: "Alberto Soto" <asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 20:03:06 -0300

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Estimados, las discusiones groseras, agrias e insultantes terminaron hace 
tiempo en LACRALO. Eso fue porque cuando alguien la iniciaba,  no se contestaba 
o se contestaba educadamente.

Alejandro, gracias por hacerlo asÃ.

Jose Ovidio, el tema de participaciÃn no estÃ siendo tratado aquÃ, porque aÃn 
no tenemos mÃtricas. Esperemos solucionar esto pronto.

Jackeline, el proceso eleccionario aÃn no terminÃ.

Ahora quiero recordarles que el aÃo pasado fuimos Humberto y  yo, Ãnicos 
postulantes. Debimos hacer votaciÃn y aceptar el resultado. Hubo quienes 
votaron no, otros se abstuvieron y otros votaron por el si.

El otro caso particular fue el de Natalia Enciso, Ãnica postulante para ALAC 
Member. Y fue el caso que tomamos como antecedente.

El caso que citan de Sylvia Herlen Leite, no es correcto, no tenemos que 
realizar elecciÃn para ese cargo.

Hicimos  una reuniÃn previa con el Staff y  luego de tomada la decisiÃn Lance 
fue avisado que se harÃa la votaciÃn, tomando como antecedente el caso de 
Natalia.

El proceso estÃ en curso y finalizarÃ con la votaciÃn.

Saludos cordiales

Alberto Soto

De: lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
[mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de Alejandro 
Pisanty
Enviado el: jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 06:53 p.m.
Para: LACRALO
CC: lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Albert Daniels
Asunto: Re: [lac-discuss-en] ÂEs Ãste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large 
At-Staff

Carlton,

voy a aceptar por Ãltima vez tu uso de lenguaje ofensivo. Tu siguiente mensaje 
con lenguaje ofensivo serÃ materia de trabajo del Ombudsman. Tu vocabulario se 
traduce a palabras inaceptables en espaÃol.

El conflicto de interÃs de Lance no viene de su actividad empresarial propia. 
El conflicto reside en su representaciÃn de negocios a travÃs de la CÃmara. 
Algunos de estos negocios tienen un conflcto estructural con los usuarios 
porque los usuarios son clientes de sus servicios.

Jacqueline, la expresiÃn de interÃs fue modificada y ampliada despuÃs de 
empezar la elecciÃn.

Alejandro Pisanty

On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:46 PM, <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx 
<mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

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 Asunto: Re: ÂEs Ãste Tiresome 'irregularidad' Contra Large At-Staff
 De: carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>

 Mi amigo Alejando, voy a irritar un poco mÃs con la retÃrica. Y
 no por favor, acepto que estoy utilizando el sentido clÃsico [InglÃs] de la 
palabra.

 Lo que se alega es puramente desafortunado mierda.

 Lanza Hinds se articula a la ICANN a travÃs de un memorando de entendimiento 
con la ICANN y caucus con
 At-Large y LACRALO como representante de DevNet; Ãl es el Presidente
 y su representante para LACRALO.

 Devnet es una organizaciÃn no gubernamental que provee desarrollo de las TIC
 servicios a los que estÃn en el lado pobre de la brecha digital. DevNet
 thusly representa los intereses de los usuarios finales. Piense en Devnet como 
la versiÃn de Guyana
 Internauta usarios etc etc.

 El hombre es el presidente de la CÃmara de Comercio de Georgetown en virtud de 
su
 propiedad de una pequeÃa empresa; TecnologÃas BrainStreet. Ãl deriva su
 ingresos, su salario digno, principalmente de ese negocio.Ãl no consigue
 pagado como Presidente de la CÃmara de Comercio de Georgetown.

 AquÃ estÃ el problema. No es inusual para los que estamos en el Caribe
 tener muchas vidas; Su llamado responder al dÃficit de capacidad. decir eso
 Lanza no puede ser un hombre de negocios y tambiÃn representan los intereses 
del usuario final cuando
 Ãl es presidente de una ONG - el que a travÃs de la que ha conectado a la ICANN
 sistema - sÃlo se parece delirante para algunos de nosotros.

 Al menos para aquellos de nosotros en el Caribe que son voluntarios para una 
cosa
 u otro.

 -Carlton

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 El Jue, 23 de julio 2015 a las 4:20 de la tarde, el Dr. Alejandro Pisanty 
Baruch &lt;
 apisan@xxxxxxx <mailto:apisan@xxxxxxx> &gt; escribiÃ:

>  Carlton,
>
>
>  The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict
> of interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election
> was in course.
>
>  Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>
>  Alejandro Pisanty
>
>
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> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  [
> lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ] en nombre de Carlton
> Samuels [carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx> ]
> *Enviado el:* jueves, 23 de julio de 2015 16:03
> *Hasta:* lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> <mailto:lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> *CC:* Albert Daniels
> *Asunto:* [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against
> At-Large Staff
>
>    I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is
> debilitating.
>
>  I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot
> depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must
> by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>
>  But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just
> too much and I must break my silence.
>
>  In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
>
>   Definitions of bullshit
>   noun
>  stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
>  verb
>  talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>
>
>     ÃââIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large
> staff in this instance and I will tell you why.
>
>  Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will
> repeat it here for effect.
>
>  In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and
> where this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all
> other criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. Ãââ
>
>  But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process
> is, well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
>
>  We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the
> nomination portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election
> process into question.
>
>  So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come
> along, slowly.  That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a
> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the
> first place!
>
>  As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for
> other RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>
>  Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after
> trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of
> reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>
>  Now, to the hypocrites.  I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
>
>  In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed
> colleague from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated
> unopposed.  I enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for
> the fact she had performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single
> 1-year term does not give the region the benefit of her service and
> expertise nor allow the region to build the influence we need in very
> important ICANN councils.
>
>  I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy
> the path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being
> de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
>
>  With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place.  And
> the At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance
> Hinds.
>
>  It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is
> because we have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>
>  Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now
> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety'
> raised!
>
>  So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the
> guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep
> at the switch.
>
>  Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other
> operating conditions are applied.
>
>  Go figure.
>
>  -Carlton Samuels
>
>  ==============================
>  Carlton A Samuels
> Mobile: 876-818-1799
> *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
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