[lac-discuss-en] DOODLE / LACRALO Outreach and Engagement SC
>Dear All,
>
>Further to Dev AnandÂs email, please complete the attached Doodle poll to
>see if a call can be schedule prior to ICANN 55 Marrakech.
>
>http://doodle.com/poll/hqs7r7f9nqfzi893
>
>
>Please note that we have only offered slots when Spanish interpretation is
>available. Friday 26th and all of next week, interpretation is
>unavailable.
>
>Thank you.
>Kind regards,
>Gisella
>
>On 22/02/2016 22:20, "lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on
>behalf of Dev Anand Teelucksingh"
><lac-discuss-en-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on behalf of
>devtee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>>Alberto, you continue to misrepresent the situation, which is
>>unfortunate. I have already posted information
>>(http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/pipermail/lac-discuss-en/2016-January/014
>>2
>>05.html)
>>and again have the emails from you and Humberto on these matters and
>>thus the evidence to contradict your statements.
>>
>>Unfortunately, the At-Large doesn't have much time to have calls with
>>interpretation but I'll ask At-Large Staff if there are any
>>opportunities for a conference call with interpretation on Thursday 25
>>February or Friday 26 February
>>and if so, ask for a Doodle to be sent. This call would be with the
>>LACRALO members of the Outreach and Engagement SC, yourself and
>>LACRALO representatives and anyone else in LACRALO interested on
>>identifying outreach events in LAC region, what would be possible
>>CROPP proposals to send and the ongoing efforts to identify possible
>>stakeholders in the LAC region and other next steps.
>>
>>Dev Anand
>>
>>
>>On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 9:28 PM, <asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
>>> from: asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>> Dear Alan, I know in detail all these rules, so realicmi
>>> order.
>>>
>>>
>>> 1. Participation Subcomitde Proyecciny
>>>
>>>
>>> LACRALO was not consulted on the Strategic Plan for the Region. It
>>>was
>>> Chair approved by the SC, unlike other Ralos that could
>>> prepare and approve its own Strategic Plan, habindolo treaty
>>> internally. The Chair of the SC has no power to generally plan
>>> strategic without consultation, and allow the entire region to achieve
>>>a consensus
>>> thereon.
>>> Nevertheless, to avoid interference or harm our region, we
>>> forward with l. Again, the main point is that it has powers
>>> for what that realized. But the main issue is not the difference
>>> contents of the plan, but the procedure carried out. Dejde side to
>>> LACRALO leadership and all its members, which considered
>>> gravity.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2. CROPP Program
>>>
>>>
>>> The Chair of Subcomitde Proyecciny participation and is also Chair
>>> the CROPP program after approving a strategic plan for our region
>>> without authority they now decided to implement the plan
>>> Strategic, and define who encargary who viajaren his
>>> implementacin. But this time also without authority, has
>>> Sern defined that members of Subcomitde Proyecciny
>>> Those who harn participation. This without any involvement or
>>>consultation
>>> with LACRALO. I must mention that there are SC members who long ago
>>> have not engaged in any activity in LACRALO (meetings
>>> monthly, ratings, webinars).
>>> This procedure is not established by the program to determine CROPP
>>> the trips. S, it required to be submitted the draft approved by
>>>consensus
>>> and raised by regional leaders for approval by the program
>>> CROPP. And this is what is not estcumpliendo. Spaces will be used
>>> LACRALO not approved for this procedure, and there we found out. And
>>>that
>>> I also think critically.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding the trip Haity Dominican Republic, he was only cited for
>>> a difference of procedure that made the Chair of CROPP with another
>>> application was filed out of time and we solicital
>>> President and Secretary, and to keep that square, it approved,
>>>assuming
>>> the responsibility not to consult our Regin ..
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record: about the trip he took the Lord Dev Anand
>>> Teelucksingh, in the same meeting that would travel Buenos definiquien
>>> Aires, the same authorization solicitla the President and Secretary
>>> LACRALO to travel to Buenos Aires, which although it was not the
>>> CROPP program hinted that from that moment it was. And the
>>> We authorize. This is contained in the records of that meeting.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Alberto Soto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original message-----
>>> From: lac-discuss-es-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [Mailto: lac-discuss-es-bounces@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On behalf of
>>> alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx
>>> Posted on: wednesday, February 17, 2016 21:51
>>> To: lac-discuss-es@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: [lac-discuss-en] Outreach and Engagement SC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [[Translated text (in -> en) -]]
>>>
>>>
>>> Subject: Re: Outreach and Engagement SC
>>> From: alan.greenberg@xxxxxxxxx
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Alberto,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I will comment on the issues of commitment and divulgaciny
>>> CROPP issues separately. Although the two groups estn
>>> chaired by the same person, operating under different rules and
>>> processes.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Participation Proyecciny Subcomitde
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Subcommittee (SC) is composed of two members appointed by each
>>>RALO ms
>>> any others who chose to participate.Operationally, the
>>> SC does not distinguish between the two types of participants.
>>>Leadership SC
>>> It is selected by the SC in s. View (<
>>>
>>>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+on+Outreac
>>>h
>>>+an
>>> d + Engagement>
>>>https://community.icann.org/display/atlarge/ALAC+Subcommittee+o
>>> n + + and + Engagement Outreach)
>>> for more details.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There are 14 members of LACRALO, more than any other region.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Any work product of the SC should be a product of all the SC,
>>> or at least those who choose to be active and should definitely
>>>participar.Que
>>> officers include members selected by the region. The SC can
>>> RALOS decide to ask for input, but even if it does not work,
>>> responsibility of regional members to ensure that the region
>>> is involved. In an environment of multiple stakeholders, each
>>> participant can not get exactly what you want, but each
>>> participant must have an opportunity to be heard. If a product of
>>> is working on a particular region (as it is for the CROPP
>>> strategies), which clearly has a very important role to region
>>> to play.For LACRALO, we go to great efforts to ensure that
>>> SC Spanish interpretation to ensure that its members can
>>> participate equally.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To the best of my knowledge, there has been no major complaint within
>>>the
>>> SC people estn not being heard.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Independence RALOS, like most things in
>>> life is not absolute. In many cases, a ALAC SC
>>> or GT carried out the work on behalf of ALAC and
>>> In general. They do it with the participation of
>>> people of all General regiones.En these
>>> decisions or documents not affect what a RALO
>>> you can do, but sometimes gives the ALAC SC
>>> explicit responsibility to take action on behalf
>>> ALAC and At-Large even if the results do not
>>> return to the ALAC for ratification.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In the case of CROPP especfico strategy
>>> document, I'm not an expert, but I see a
>>> big difference between the resulting document
>>> and what I've heard is of interest to especfico
>>> LACRALO. The exact wording may be different, but
>>> the intention seems to be the same. But regardless of how
>>> I read, if the region has a problem, which should
>>> be treated within the SC, and for those
>>> LACRALO appointed to work on the SC. Shay
>>> It is a situation in which members and ComitDirectivo
>>> President
>>> and co-chairs can not solve a problem, I hope
>>> that leadership ALAC presentaramo
>>> Team, ensuring that the ALT members of the region is aware of
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> You mention that the internal document LACRALO
>>> tena more concrete details.That is
>>> razonable.Como understand the situation, the
>>> GSE plans someterna not exigique
>>> level of detail and application. While
>>> the two were complementary and did not conflict, no ningn
>>> problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> CROPP program
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Last year, the CROPP program within At-Large was
>>> conducted by the team of revision CROPP (RT) from
>>> the previous year. The stream consists of RT
>>> two people from each region, one appointed by the
>>> Members of Subcomitde Finance and Budget,
>>> and a member of the Scope and Participation SC.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> A requests for use of funds ranging from CROPP
>>> initiator for RALO and then the CROPP RT.
>>> Exactly how sparse approved a project to
>>> RALO. I suspect that most RALOS do this with
>>> its leadership team and perhaps some others.
>>> Once the CROPP RT is notified by the RALO leadership
>>> the application is approved by the thinning, the CROPP
>>> RT should review. They have a duty to ensure
>>> that the application complies with the regional strategy and
>>> It is in every way a good peticin.Si not estn
>>> satisfied, they can reject the request or
>>> send it back to the originator or to RALO
>>> modification. My understanding is that the
>>> LACRALO Haity trip to the Dominican Republic
>>> It was satisfactory and I see no need for
>>> NEXT review the process this time.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record, Dev Anand did not Teelucksingh
>>> travel to Buenos Aires on CROPP funds. Your trip
>>> It was funded by GSE under a completely different program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I hope this is addressed to all their problems.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards, Alan
>>> > TRADUCCIÃN POR SILVIA VIVANCO:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Estimado Alan, estoy obligado como Presidente de LACRALO
>>> > Estar en contacto sobre este tema:
>>> >
>>> > La insistencia del presidente de un SubcomitÃ
>>> > Del ALAC (Alcance y ParticipaciÃn SC) en
>>> > Toma de decisiones, que deben, por reglamento serÃ
>>> > Hecho dentro de LACRALO y con pleno
>>> > ParticipaciÃn de sus miembros ALSs, me obliga a hacerlo.
>>> >
>>> > Comentarios de Pisanty y yo se han citado
>>> > Como si fueran una aprobaciÃn del Plan
>>> > Generado en la O / E SubcomitÃ, que actuÃ
>>> > Sin consultar previamente el documento que
>>> > Ya habÃamos preparado. Tanto la mÃa, y la
>>> > OpiniÃn de Alejandro Pisanty eran crÃticos de dicho documento.
>>> > Posteriormente, ya pesar de la mala procedimiento, que,
>>> > En la pantalla de la buena voluntad y la bÃsqueda de la paz en
>>>nuestra
>>> > RegiÃn, aceptado este plan, a pesar del hecho
>>> > Que la nuestra tenÃa detalles mÃs concretos sobre la
>>> > paÃses, de acuerdo con la lista que rÃpidamente
>>> > Presentada, y mucho antes de este Plan EstratÃgico.
>>> >
>>> > El detalle principal era que el plan debe tener
>>> > en cuenta de forma prioritaria, los paÃses
>>> > Que tuvo la tasa mÃs baja de internet
>>> > PenetraciÃn, como una manera para iniciar la requerida
>>> > Mayor apoyo y las principales acciones de coordinaciÃn con ICANN
>>>GSE.
>>> > Pedà aclaraciones del Presidente de
>>> > El Subcomità de nuestra Ãltima reuniÃn mensual.A
>>> > Esa reuniÃn, no sÃlo insistià en su
>>> > Error, pero confirmà que las personas
>>> > FormaciÃn de tales Subcomità estarÃa a cargo de
>>> > La ejecuciÃn de dicho proyecto y que eran
>>> > TambiÃn el anÃlisis de las alternativas de la CROPP
>>> > Programa para su aplicaciÃn por parte de dicho SubcomitÃ.
>>> >
>>> > En resumen: en primer lugar una ALS presenta una
>>> > Proyecto, que deberà ser aprobado por consenso
>>> > Dentro de LACRALO y luego direcciÃn del LACRALO
>>> > Lo envÃa para su aprobaciÃn a travÃs del programa CROPP y luego a
>>>GSE.
>>> >
>>> > Ellos estÃn asumiendo un poder que no lo hace
>>> > Corresponderles, a pesar de que habÃamos pedido por
>>> > Correo electrÃnico y en la Ãltima reuniÃn mensual que no lo
>>>hicieron.
>>> >
>>> > TambiÃn insistià en que el SubcomitÃ
>>> > Formado por miembros de LACRALO, errÃneamente
>>> > La comprensiÃn de este tipo de acciones validadas.
>>> >
>>> > El MOU que LACRALO ha firmado con la ICANN,
>>> > Nos da la independencia en las decisiones, lo cual
>>> > Debe tomarse dentro del Ãmbito de nuestra RegiÃn
>>> > Y dentro de nuestra Ãrea de discusiÃn normativa, no se
>>> > Dentro de un Subcomità de ALAC, a pesar del hecho
>>> > Que este se compone de miembros de LACRALO.
>>> >
>>> > En los enlaces que aparecen en el correo electrÃnico a continuaciÃn,
>>>se
>>> > Ver que un programa similar para AFRALO era
>>> > Aprobado por los miembros de AFRALO de Septiembre
>>> > 21, 2015; de APRALO por sus lÃderes el 3 de julio,
>>> > 2015; de NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de
>>> > 2015; de EURALO por Dev Anand Teelucksingh la
>>> > 29 de de septiembre de 2015; y la LACRALO tambiÃn por
>>> > Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. En
>>> > Menos para LACRALO, que ha tomado un papel que no le corresponde.
>>> >
>>> > En los correos electrÃnicos citados por el Presidente de la
>>> > SubcomitÃ, existen inconsistencias tales como
>>> > El intercambio de correos electrÃnicos a la propuesta de
>>> > Carlton Samuels para ir a Surinam; esto sÃlo fue
>>> > Presentada por Dev Anand Teelucksingh en el
>>> > Encuentro que tuvimos en el Haità y Dominicana
>>> > RepÃblica.HabÃa tal urgencia que no lo hicimos
>>> > Tener tiempo para enviarlo a LACRALO y
>>> > Excepcionalmente decidimos con Humberto en
>>> > Esa reuniÃn a fin de evitar la pÃrdida de nuestra asignaciÃn de
>>>viaje
>>> >
>>> > En la reuniÃn previa a la Ãltima reuniÃn de
>>> > ICANN en Buenos Aires, se dice que estamos de acuerdo
>>> > Y publicado los nombres de los que viajarÃa a dicha reuniÃn.
>>> >
>>> > CROPP? S Silla, Dev Anand Teelucksingh,
>>> > Publicado tales nombres, pero omitidas en el
>>> > Listar su propio nombre, porque viajà a
>>> > Argentina con una asignaciÃn de viaje del programa de este tipo.
>>> >
>>> > Para salvaguardar nuestras decisiones, nuestra autonomÃa y
>>> > La esperanza de evitar inconvenientes futuros, solicito
>>> > Que se procede a emitir la Directiva correspondiente a dicho
>>>SubcomitÃ.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Estimado Alan, me veo Obligado Como Presidente de LACRALO un Ponerme
>>>en
>>> > Contacto por este tema.
>>> >
>>> > La insistencia del Presidente de la ONU Subcomitde ALAC (Alcance y
>>> > SC) en Tomar Decisiones Que por norma Deben tomarse en el interior
>>>de
>>> > LACRALO y con participacin de Sus Miembros ALS, me obli un Ello.
>>> > Las repetidas aclaraciones ninguna decisin ESA justifican.
>>> >
>>> > Se ha Citado comentarios de Alejando Pisanty ymos Como Si hubieran
>>>Sido
>>> > Aprobacin del Plan de Generado en ESE subcomitsin Haber consultado
>>> > Previamente el documento con El que ya contbamos. Tanto la opinin de
>>> > Alejandro Como la ma, Eran crticas de tal documento. A posteriori y
>>>una
>>> > ESE mal Procedimiento, Como la Muestra de Buena Voluntad y buscando
>>>la
>>> > Nuestra Regin, dimos Como Aceptado DICHO plan, PESE una cola el
>>>nuestro
>>> > Detalles ms Concretos Sobre los paSES, segn La Lista Que Yo
>>>oportunamente
>>> > Presentara, los antes y Mucho of this Plan de Estratgico. El detalle
>>>era
>>>
>>>
>>> > Que se deba Tener en Cuenta de Como priority, un paSES Aquellos Que
>>> > El menor ndice de penetracin de Internet, Como una forma de
>>>Comenzar por
>>> > Los Que requeran alcalde Apoyo y mayores: acciones de una Coordinar
>>>con
>>> > ICANN.
>>> >
>>> > Pedaclaraciones al Presidente del Subcomiten Nuestra ltima reunin
>>> > Mensual; allno en solitario insistien error Do, Sino Que las
>>>confirmque
>>> > Personas Integrante de DICHO Subcomitse haran cargo de la
>>>IMPLEMENTACIÃN
>>> > Plan de DICHO, y adems Estaban analizado las Alternativas del
>>>Programa
>>> > CROPP para su IMPLEMENTACIÃN por parte de Subcomit DICHO. Como
>>>sntesis de
>>> > Tema this en particular: Primero Una ALS Presenta Proyecto de las
>>>
>>>
>>> > Por consensus en LACRALO Y LUEGO EL Liderazgo de LACRALO lo ENVA
>>>pÃrrafo
>>> > Aprobacin al Programa CROPP y de alla GSE. Se estn arrogando Una
>>> > Atribucin Que No corresponde, PESE un Que se pidipor electrÃnico y
>>>en la
>>> > Reunin mensual Que No lo hicieran.
>>> >
>>> > Tambin insistien Que DICHO subcomitestaba Conformado por Miembros de
>>> > LACRALO, Entendiendo errneamente Que Ello convalidaba cuentos:
>>>acciones.
>>> > El MOU Que Tiene LACRALO Firmado con la ICANN, nos da la
>>>Independencia en
>>> > Decisiones, Las Que Deben tomarse DENTRO DEL Ã mbito de Nuestra
>>>Reginy
>>> > Nuestro à mbito normativo de discusiones, y sin within ONU
>>>Subcomitde
>>> > ALAC, PESE una cola estintegrado por Miembros de LACRALO.
>>> >
>>> > En los une Que estn indicados en el correo electrÃnico de abajo, Se
>>>Puede
>>> > Programa similares de AFRALO FUE Aprobado por los Miembros de
>>>AFRALO el
>>> > Septiembre de 2015; El de APRALO Por Sus lderes el 3 de julio de
>>>2015; EL
>>> > De NARALO por Glenn McKnight 4l 4 de agosto de 2015; El de EURALO
>>>por Dev
>>> > Anand Teelucksingh el 29de septiembre de 2015; y el de LACRALO
>>>tambin por
>>> > Dev Anand Teelucksingh el 15 de septiembre de 2015. Al menos por
>>>LACRALO,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> > Ha Tomado Una atribucin Que No le corresponde.
>>> >
>>> > En los citados electrÃnico Por El Presidente Del subcomit,
>>> > Cuentos Como el Intercambio de correos para la Propuesta de Carlton
>>> > To go una Suriname; ESTO FUE solitario Presentado por Dev Anand
>>> > Una reunin Que mantuvimos por el tema de Haity Repblica
>>>Dominica.Era
>>> > Con tal urgencia Que No tuvimos Tiempo de presentarlo ante LACRALO y
>>> > Excepcionalmente lo definimos con Humberto en ESA reunin para no
>>>perder
>>> > Viaje de CROPP. En la reunin previa al ltimo reuniÃn de la ICANN en
>>> > Aires, se cita Que concordamos y were Publicados los Nombres de
>>>Quienes
>>> > Viajaran una reuniÃn DICHO. El Presidente del CROPP, Dev Anand
>>> > Nombres publicdichos, Pero omitien La Lista el suyo propio, dado
>>>Que
>>> > Viajcon Una vacante de DICHO Programa.
>>> >
>>> > Por el resguardo de Nuestras Decisiones, Nuestra AutÃnoma, y
>>> > Evitar Futuros inconvenientes, solicito tengas a bien dar la
>>>directiva
>>> > Correspondiente una ESE Subcomit.
>>> >
>>> > Saludos cordiales
>>> >
>>> > Alberto Soto
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [[--Original text (es)
>>> http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/84c682a75f.html
>>> --]]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> lac-discuss-en mailing list
>>> lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
>>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>lac-discuss-en mailing list
>>lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
>
>_______________________________________________
>lac-discuss-en mailing list
>lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en
_______________________________________________
lac-discuss-en mailing list
lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
https://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/lac-discuss-en