Re: [lac-discuss-en] The election motion... Has failed to pass.



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Dear Jacqueline,

I apologise for not replying before. I have been dealing with other urgent LACRALO issues as well.

However, I will answer about this issue during the day.

Regards



El 16/09/2015 a las 4:24, Jacqueline Morris escribió:

Dear colleagues
I've thought deeply on this, reread the working and final documents from 2006 and 2007, and have come to some very certain conclusions.

The Secretariat is the position under which the ultimate responsibility for these calculations resides. The fact that we have not heard from Humberto on this issue is troubling. Staff are available to assist the Secretariat and Chair, but cannot bear the responsibility to the membership, as they are not the ones that we voted to hold such.

I also believe that the consequences of the correct calculation of the vote should be spelled out so that there is no confusion.

Given the very clear intent of the rule, it is obvious that as a consequence any motion (including motions for elections) CANNOT be passed if the weighted vote by ALS representatives that abstain or do not vote is more than 50%.

Hence, I believe the motion to elect an ALAC representative has failed.
I look forward to the next steps, and I hope that these, unlike the previous, will adhere to both the letter and spirit of the Rules of the LACRALO as drafted and duly approved.

Jacqueline A. Morris
Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )

On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 7:31 PM, Jacqueline Morris <jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jam@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:

    Hi Alberto
    I would like to insert some factual historical information into
    this discussion.

    The concern when developing the RoP was to ensure that a minority
    of the organisation could not  agree to motions without a majority
    present and voting. Hence, the rule for a virtual assembly is that
    every ALS is considered to be present as each is issued voting
    credentials. And so a motion cannot be carried on a minority
    voting on a motion if the majority abstains or don't vote.

    I don't know when the change was made, but it is counter to the
    established and documented process. I believe if such a
    fundamental change were to be made to the established voting
    process, it should have been discussed and voted upon by the
    membership. It may be that the Big Pulse system was wrongly
    programmed to calculate, but it certainly should have been double
    checked!

    Sincerely


    Jacqueline A. Morris
    Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible
    and Free. (after Chris Lehmann <http://twitter.com/chrislehmann> )


    On Mon, Sep 14, 2015 at 6:21 PM, <asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    <mailto:asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:


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         Subject: The Numbers are Plain Wrong.
         From: asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        <mailto:asoto@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

         Lord Samuels, a continuation transcribe Rule 12.2 of the
        Common Rules
         LACRALO Procedure: In accordance with the provisions of the
         Rules 6.2 and 16, decisions shall be by a majority of decidirn
         Large Structures present and voting; for the purposes of
        these Rules,
         the expression Large Structures present vote will refer the
         Large Structures casting an affirmative or negative vote. At
         Large Structures refrain from voting if they considerarcomo
         they would not have voted.


         In English: 12.2 Subject to the Provisions of Rules 6.2 and
        16, decisions
         Shall be taken by a majority of the At Large Structures
        present and voting;
         for the purpose of the present Rules, the expression &quot;At
        Large Structures
         present and voting &quot;shall mean At Large Structures
        casting an affirmative or
         negative vote.At Large Structures abstaining from voting
        Shall Be Regarded
         Having Voted as not.


         As see, you have to count the number of ALS present, it is,
         they have cast their vote, whatever its option. We understand
        that
         Large structures who voted for the abstention option, have issued
         one vote, which even can be considered negative. Positive
        votes are
         those who go sb candidate.


         The rule saying abstaining, we understand that concern
         Scope those structures that have not No single act. In
         simple terms did not vote for any option.


         The Big Push system is automatic, no intervention of any person.
         The percentage taken are correct.


         Years ago that the system works the same way, and has never been
         observed or rejected.


         Made the clarification, I ask again please not to issue
         grievances and insults on the list.


         If you observe or perform a critical, please, just doing hgalo
         s reference to the fact in citing the article and reference
        standard.


         Cheers


         Alberto Soto


















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