Re: [lac-discuss-en] legality of the process.
Dear friends.
I am much more concerned now about if we have or no legal grounds to proceed
with this election since following the initial process - we started following
the original process - it is already closed?
I believe we need to make some steps to become the previous process void and
start a new clear one.
O would like someone from staff to give us a clear statement about it.
thank you
Vanda Scartezini
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> On Jul 23, 2015, at 19:23, Dev Anand Teelucksingh <devtee@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> To follow on the hypocrisy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypocrisy>) of the comments re: conflict of
> interest.
>
> Here's what is on Sergio Salinas Porto profile :
> https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto
> <https://www.icann.org/profiles/sergio-salinas-porto>
>
> "Mr. Salinas Porto is involved in a number of other international and
> regional organizations and projects; he is a Member of the Forum for
> Democratic and Popular Communication, Mar de Plata's Secretary of
> Communication for Central de Trabajadores Argentinos, and the Head of New
> Technologies and Business for the Assembly of Small and Medium Entrepreneurs'
> Mar de Plata division."
>
> So how it is that Sergio doesn't have a conflict of interest being in LACRALO
> as a "business user" since he is involved with the Assembly of Small and
> Medium Entrepreneurs?
>
> Regards,
>
> Dev Anand Teelucksingh
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx
> <mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
> My friend Alejando, I'm going to irritate you some more with rhetoric. And do
> please accept I am using the classic [English] meaning of the word.
>
> What is alleged is purely unfortunate bullshit.
>
> Lance Hinds is articulated to ICANN via an MOU with ICANN and caucus with the
> At-Large and LACRALO as a representative of DevNet; he's the Chairman and its
> representative to LACRALO.
>
> Devnet is a non-governmental organisation that provides ICT development
> services to those who are on the poor side of the digital divide. DevNet
> thusly represents end user interests. Think of Devnet as Guyana's version
> Internauta Usarios etc. etc.
>
> The man is President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce by virtue of his
> ownership of a small business; Brainstreet Technologies. He derives his
> income, his living wage, principally from that business. He DOES NOT get
> paid as President of the Georgetown Chamber of Commerce.
>
> Here's the issue. It is not unusual for those of us in the Caribbean to have
> many lives; its called responding to capacity deficit. To say that Lance
> cannot be a businessman and also represent end user interests when he's
> Chairman of an NGO - the one thru which he's connected to the ICANN system -
> just looks delusional for some of us.
>
> At least for those of us in the Caribbean who are volunteers for one thing or
> other.
>
> -Carlton
>
>
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> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 4:20 PM, Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch <apisan@xxxxxxx
> <mailto:apisan@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
> Carlton,
>
>
> The issue is very simple. A number of us find an irreconcilable conflict of
> interest in Lance Hinds's SoI. This is apparent only once the election was in
> course.
>
> Simple. No rhetoric needed.
>
> Alejandro Pisanty
>
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>
> CC: Albert Daniels
> Asunto: [lac-discuss-en] This Tiresome 'Irregularity' Claim Against At-Large
> Staff
>
> I am trying to live a long and useful life. Engagement with LACRALO is
> debilitating.
>
> I am not communicant - I gave it up since I was 14 years old - so cannot
> depend on a 'good' God for my salvation. So for objective, I do what I must
> by avoiding vexations to my spirit.
>
> But the bullshit - I hope the word translates well to Spanish - is just too
> much and I must break my silence.
>
> In case the translation gets mangled, here is what I mean by bullshit:
>
> Definitions of bullshit
> noun
> stupid or untrue talk or writing; nonsense.
> verb
> talk nonsense to (someone), typically to be misleading or deceptive.
>
>
> âIt is misleading, even dishonest, to allege misconduct by At-Large staff in
> this instance and I will tell you why.
>
> Jacqueline has already pithily outlined the classic case but I will repeat it
> here for effect.
>
> In parts of the world where rules for [s]elections are established and where
> this exercise of democracy is routine, a candidate satisfying all other
> criteria and nominated for a position unopposed is duly [s]elected. â
>
> But this is LACRALO where our collective understanding of the process is,
> well, let me be generous and say uneven, at best.
>
> We simply don't understand that you cannot disavow or subvert the nomination
> portion of the process without calling the entire [s]election process into
> question.
>
> So, we walk extra miles to give those who don't understand time to come
> along, slowly. That is the basis for the consensus poll - notice it is a
> poll - and why we in the Caribbean bothered to go along with that in the
> first place!
>
> As At-Large staff would have told all of you, this is not the same for other
> RALOs. They have matured in both thought and action.
>
> Why does this bother me, you ask? Because it gets old and tiresome after
> trying for so long. And since it vexes my spirit, I run the real risk of
> reducing my life and its quality the longer I caucus here.
>
> Now, to the hypocrites. I ask your forgiveness for not being a good
> Christian. I simply detest hypocrisy.
>
> In the selection for a NomCom candidate this year, our esteemed colleague
> from Brazil and incumbent, Sylvia Leite Herlein, was nominated unopposed. I
> enthusiastically supported her candidacy, not just only for the fact she had
> performed in the post. But I truly believe that a single 1-year term does not
> give the region the benefit of her service and expertise nor allow the region
> to build the influence we need in very important ICANN councils.
>
> I personally discouraged - yes, discouraged - other nominations to muddy the
> path to her re-selection. We went along with Jacqueline Morris being
> de-selected after a single year. Maybe that was the wrong thing to do then.
>
> With Sylvia's unopposed [s]election, no consensus poll took place. And the
> At-Large staff notified the world in the same way as they did for Lance Hinds.
>
> It was not that we in the Caribbean did not notice. Rather, it is because we
> have never felt any such poll was necessary in the first place.
>
> Contrast then to now. There was not a whimper of complaint from our now
> erstwhile friends of LACRALO propriety, not one allegation of 'impropriety'
> raised!
>
> So now, I ask you, what is the difference here? We can either assume the
> guardians of LACRALO propriety were off busily thumb-sucking, even asleep at
> the switch.
>
> Or, in this case for Lance Hinds nomination and selection, other operating
> conditions are applied.
>
> Go figure.
>
> -Carlton Samuels
>
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