[lac-discuss-en] Fwd: Re: VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE LACRALO ALAC / 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO ALAC
Hi
I don't think you understood my question. A motion was raised on a Point of
Order. The rules that you just quoted say that this needs to be dealt with
immediately, I think this means that we have to (if we were in a physical
meeting, we would stop, discuss, get a ruling, appeal, vote .. Before
continuing on what we were doing - the original vote) focus on this,
because if the motion on the Point of Order passes, the process that we are
in will be judged illegitimate and will have to end.
So I really think that we, in order to be correct, need to deal with
Carlton's motion before the election process ends. If translation etc are
making it take too long, then yes, we need to suspend or extend. I don't
think a suspension needs to be requested per we, but in order for things to
run properly, in official order, this may have to happen.
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> On 9 Sep 2015 6:33 pm, "Humberto Carrasco" <hcarrascob@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> Dear Jacqueline,
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>> By this email we respond to your request.
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>> Overall, we estimate that we cannot suspend the election for the
following reasons:
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>> 1. The voting process began on Thursday, September 3, 2015, and runs
until Thursday, September 10, 2015 until 23:00 hours.
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>> 2. The motion of Mr. Samuels was presented on Friday, September 4, 2015.
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>> In his email, Mr. Samuels raised a Point of Order and offered a motion
of NO CONFIDENCE in the LACRALO leadership.
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>> He pointed out some arguments to justify his action and then he ended
with:
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>> "Resolved:
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>> That the general assembly demonstrate its lack of confidence in the
LACRALO leadership and vote on this motion."
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>> Thus, this paragraph says nothing about any suspension.
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>> 3. On 5 September, we informed to Mr Samuels that we requested an
official translation to Spanish of his motion to be sent to the LACRALO's
Spanish list.
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>> 4. Subsequently, the 7th of September 2015 Alberto Soto informed that he
had asked for legal advice from ICANNâs legal staff regarding this motion
of censure.
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>> 5. The RoP in Articles 8.1 and 8.2 states the following:
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>> 8.1 During a discussion, any delegate may raise a point of order; such a
point of order shall be immediately decided upon by the presiding officer.
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>> 8.2 An appeal may be made against the ruling of the presiding officer.
Such an appeal shall be put to the vote immediately and the presiding
officer's ruling shall stand, unless overruled by a simple majority of the
ALS present and voting.
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>> These rules are silent regarding any suspension. Neither there has been
any appeal. In any case, an appeal did not suspend the current vote.
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>> 6. There are articles relating to the suspension in Rule 9 that provides:
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>> Rule 9 - Procedural Motions
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>> 9.1 During a discussion, any delegate may move the suspension or
adjournment of the meeting or the adjournment or closure of the debate.
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>> 9.2 Such a motion shall be put to the vote immediately. Subject to
Rule 8.1, such motions shall have precedence in the following order over
all other proposals or motions before the meeting:
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>> (a) Suspension of the meeting;
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>> (b) Adjournment of the meeting;
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>> (c) Adjournment of the debate on the question under discussion;
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>> (d) Closure of the debate on the question under discussion.
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>> 7. - Finally, with regard to the arguments and accusations of Mr.
Samuels, they will be answered once the official translation into Spanish
is sent to the LACRALO's Spanish list.
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>>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alberto Soto
>> Humberto Carrasco
>>
>> El 09/09/2015 a las 15:39, Jacqueline Morris escribiÃ:
>>>
>>> Hi Humberto
>>> I'm confused - there was a motion on the table from Carlton - the
motion of No Confidence. According to the RoP, this motion needs to be
debated and voted BEFORE the vote on ALAC rep can continue (it takes
precedence). This hasn't been done, so how can the vote on ALAC rep be
ending tomorrow?
>>> Or was there a vote on the motion and I missed it?
>>>
>>> I am particularly concerned given the number of procedural mistakes
that seem to have occurred recently. We don't want more issues with this
vote.
>>>
>>> Jacqueline A. Morris
>>> Technology should be like oxygen: Ubiquitous, Necessary, Invisible and
Free. (after Chris Lehmann )
>>>
>>> 2015-09-09 9:18 GMT-04:00 <hcarrascob@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [[--Translated text (es -> en)--]]
>>>>
>>>> Subject: Re: VOTE NOTICE: 2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE LACRALO ALAC /
2015 VOTE FOR REPRESENTATIVE TO THE LACRALO ALAC
>>>> From: hcarrascob@xxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Dear,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do not forget that within Voting ends tomorrow Thursday 10
>>>> September 2015 at 23:00 UTC.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The 04/09/2015 at 0:00, staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>> > [[--Translated text (en -> es)--]]
>>>> >
>>>> > Asunto: VOTO ANUNCIO: 2015 VOTO PARA LACRALO ALAC REPRESENTANTE /
2015 VOTO PARA REPRESENTANTE DE LACRALO ANTE EL ALAC
>>>> > De: staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> >
>>>> > [ES]
>>>> > Queridos todos,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > LACRALOs Presidencia y SecretarÃa gustarÃa anunciar el inicio de
la votaciÃn
>>>> > al Representante LACRALO ALAC para el perÃodo de dos aÃos a partir
de las
>>>> > Al final de la reuniÃn de DublÃn ICANN en octubre de 2015. Esta
encuesta estarà abierta
>>>> > desde jueves 03 septiembre 2015 hasta Jueves 10 de septiembre 2015
a las 23:00 UTC.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ***
>>>> > PREGUNTA: ÂA quiÃn apoyas a convertirse en el ALAC Representante
LACRALO para
>>>> > el perÃodo de dos aÃos a partir de finales de la reuniÃn de la
ICANN en DublÃn
>>>> > 10 2015? Por favor, seleccionar un candidato de la lista de abajo
(que se enumeran
>>>> > por orden alfabÃtico del nombre de la familia) o abstenerse:
>>>> > * Harold Arcos
>>>> > * Juan Manuel Rojas
>>>> > * Abstenerse
>>>> > ***
>>>> > InformaciÃn adicional se puede encontrar en la pÃgina de
elecciones Wiki:
>>>> > https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ==
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > [ES]
>>>> > Hola a todos,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > El Presidente y secretario de LACRALOs quisieran anunciar el
inicio del
>>>> > por voto pÃrrafo Elegir al Representante de LACRALO ante el ALAC
Representante
>>>> > EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Empezando al final de de la reunin de Dubln en
Octubre
>>>> > del 2015. La votacin estarabierta desde el Lunes 03 de Setiembre
2015 al
>>>> > Viernes 10 de Setiembre 2015 a las 23:00 UTC.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ***
>>>> > PREGUNTA: A quien Elige Usted Para Ser Representante del LACRALO
ante el
>>>> > ALAC POR EL PERIODO DE 2 aos Comenzando en la reuniÃn de la ICANN
en Octubre
>>>> > del 2015? Por favor ELIJA UN Candidato de la Lista Abajo (en Orden
>>>> > alfabtico) o abstngase:
>>>> > * Harold Arcos
>>>> > * Juan Manuel Rojas
>>>> > * Abstencin
>>>> > ***
>>>> > Informacin Adicional Se Puede Encontrar En La pgina WIKI:
>>>> > https://community.icann.org/x/moAQAw.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Saludos,
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Heidi Ullrich, Silvia Vivanco, Ariel Liang, Gisella Gruber,
Nathalie
>>>> > Peregrine y Terri Agnew
>>>> > El personal de ICANN polÃtica en apoyo de ALAC
>>>> > E-mail: staff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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>>>> [[--Original text (es)
>>>> http://mm.icann.org/transbot_archive/71b69bd4a9.html
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