[CCWG-ACCT] Further Objection to the Methodology
Kavouss Arasteh
kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Wed Apr 15 19:28:14 UTC 2015
Dear Allé,
I also support Dr. EL and is of the same view .In addition I support him as
mentioned in his previous message why the legal firm did not provide these
slide much in adavance of the conference call.
I also do not agree with the tone nor with the way the legal firm replied
to the questions.
We should work closely , freindly, with mutual respect and spirit of
civility
Kavouss
2015-04-15 17:20 GMT+02:00 Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>:
> Hi Drazak,
>
> As it concerns naming; I don't run any registry neither am i employed by
> any organisation in that line (including cctld) except being a registrant
> on both TLD categories plus also being an internet user. I rely a lot on
> things that are factually documented/proven, hence i make effort to ask for
> references and also ask questions that could help me understand why some
> have certain view. I wholeheartedly share your line of thought and i would
> appreciate if this helps improve the way we individually approach issues in
> this WG.
>
> Regards
>
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear Eberhard, Akinbo and Sean,
>>
>> While I agree this issue requires deliberate treatment, I have a few
>> questions in response to points raised in this thread.
>>
>> Why couldn't a subset of ccTLD members (those who have joined the
>> ccNSO) collaborate to make the ccNSO a statutory member of ICANN? We're not
>> talking about every registry (gTLD or ccTLD) or individual person who
>> participates in ICANN becoming a direct member.
>>
>> That some ccTLDs choose to not join the ccNSO shouldn't prevent those
>> who have joined from cooperating to give the ccNSO greater oversight of
>> ICANN's Board and staff. Or am I missing something? Please help me
>> understand the specific ccTLD concern in this context.
>>
>> If we're designing an accountability framework for ICANN and its
>> community, how can we be expected to accommodate and incorporate the
>> interests of self-determined outsiders other than to invite them to join
>> the community and participate in its processes? In my view, anyone with
>> interests impacted by ICANN should get involved and not sit outside looking
>> in.
>>
>> Also, Eberhard, I'm not clear on why the legal foundation for the USG's
>> claim on the IANA functions/root is relevant to the discussion of ICANN's accountability
>> to the community, which is the focus of this group. Perhaps that is a topic
>> more relevant to the work of the CWG Transition? Again, I may be missing
>> something and would welcome the dots being connected.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Keith
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Apr 15, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Adebunmi AKINBO <akinbo.adebunmi at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> +1 Lisse, Otieno.
>> -Akinbo.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Barrack Otieno <
>> otieno.barrack at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I am in agreement with Dr. Lisse,i think the issues he raises are of
>>> fundamental importance and should be looked at in detail as we move
>>> forwad. It is better to get it right than as opposed to just focusing
>>> on a deliverable.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> On 4/15/15, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
>>> > Dear Co-Chairs Thomas and Matheiu,
>>> >
>>> > Can you please explain to you Co-Chair that the very point was that
>>> > I need time to study the document and that I objected and still
>>> > object against dealing with this in a cursory manner.
>>> >
>>> > However, since he asked, I'll write under correction, that I don't
>>> > think ccTLDs can be (in) a member organization unless all 253 bind
>>> > themselves to this.
>>> >
>>> > I have asked NUMEROUS times, to no avail, that we find out what the
>>> > legal foundation of the USG's claim to the root/IANA function is.
>>> > And we need to establish how this relates to each ccTLD. We may not
>>> > be able to do this for all 253 (or how many they are) but there are
>>> > a few broad categories we can classify them in.
>>> >
>>> > For example (and just off the cuff and decidedly incomplete)
>>> >
>>> > Before RFC1951 (1994)
>>> > before ICANN
>>> > During ICANN
>>> > IDN ccTLDs
>>> >
>>> > But, again, I object to being put under pressure of dealing with a
>>> > complex matter and document in a superficial manner.
>>> >
>>> > greetings, el
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 2015-04-15 04:16 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
>>> >> Dear Eberhard,
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks for your comments.
>>> >>
>>> >> Which content issues did you identify in the document? I will be
>>> >> happy to discuss and take back to the legal sub-team and the
>>> >> lawyers.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Best regards,
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> León
>>> >>
>>> >>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:42, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA> escribió:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Dear Co-Charis,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> this is not directed against an individual or a group of individuals
>>> >>> (inside the CCWG).
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I can not participate in a meaningful deliberation on this unless I
>>> >>> have time to properly review this document, not just being fed a
>>> >>> large number of busy slides.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Never mind "decision".
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are some content issues (for example with regards to
>>> >>> membership as far as ccTLDs are concerned) which flashed by.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> This the wrong way of dealing with this, and I renew my objection for
>>> >>> the record.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> el
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 2015-04-14 13:29, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
>>> >>>> Dear Eberhard,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> The slides were sent to everyone as soon as we got them.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I remind you that no substantial decision is made on any single
>>> >>>> call so you don’t have to worry on having to decide on anything
>>> >>>> on this call. We make second readings on substantial issues.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Best regards,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> León
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> El 14/04/2015, a las 7:25, Dr Eberhard Lisse <el at lisse.NA>
>>> >>>>> escribió:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Why have the slides of the law firm not been sent to us early
>>> >>>>> enough to consider them, prior to being presented and discussed?
>>> >>>>> Never mind decision making.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> I object to this.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> el
>>> >>>>> --
>>> >>>>> Dr. Eberhard W. Lisse \ / Obstetrician & Gynaecologist
>>> (Saar)
>>> >>>>> el at lisse.NA / * | Telephone: +264 81 124 6733
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