[CCWG-ACCT] Issues with Providing Public Comments on CCWG-Accountability Proposal

[Kavouss Arasteh]

Dear Doctor,
Thank you very much for your message.
I do not understand the content of that message
You have indicated that
Quote
*" I do not agree with your opinion about the Co-Chairs, by the way, I hold
them directly responsible for this mess".*
Unquote
I do not know which opinion you referring.
I fully respect your evaluation of the position of co-chairs but I hesitate
to make any comments on that.
Pls kindly indicate which of my opinion you do not share while respecting
your views to share or to disapprove opinion of any one including mine.
Tks for clarifications that you may provide
Regards
Kavouss

2015-12-05 4:55 GMT+01:00 George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>:

> Dear Eberhard,
>
> > On Dec 4, 2015, at 3:08 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Co-Chairs,
> >
> > now that is a Freudian slip if I ever saw one:
> >
> > The means used by Sadowsky and his ilk to achieve their end, the
> predetermined outcome of the transition, were well noted.
>
> I'm not sure what you referred to here, and I really don't know who my ilk
> are. You are quite correct in thinking that I judge certain outcomes of the
> accountability process to be more desirable than others, but I do not
> understand why you think that any outcomes are predetermined. All of us
> involved in this process have our own ideas about what the most desirable
> outcomes are, and the end result, assuming that we do reach agreement, will
> be a mixture of all these.
>
> >
> > Can you please also ask Sadowsky to refrain from emailing me at my
> private email address?
>
> I simply clicked on reply to respond to your message. Your private email
> address was in the addressee list of your message.  I'm not sure what the
> co-chairs have to do with this.
>
>
> > For Sadowsky this all may be a game, but for many, including me, it is
> not. Some of us work for a living.
> >
> The accountability exercise is not a game, And I don't believe that I have
> led anyone to believe that I think this is a game.  It is an attempt to
> bring a more up-to-date accountability framework to what ICANN is and what
> it does.  Not everyone will be satisfied with the result, but with some
> hard work, mutual respect and empathy I hope that we will be able to
> converge on an acceptable solution that will serve us well for the next
> period of ICANN's life.
>
> I also work for a living, as well as doing a lot of pro bono work related
> to my expertise for my community and for my region.  The accountability
> process has taken a lot of time from a large number of people. I think that
> we will all be relieved when we can scale back to a steady state of
> activity that is more relaxed than it is currently.
>
> Eberhardt, do you remember when we first met? It was in Cotonou, Benin in
> November 1998 at the meeting which eventually resulted in the formation of
> AFRINIC. I was the keynote speaker at the conference. You came up to me and
> informed me why you had been insulting me on email lists for the past
> several years. You didn't apologize, you just stated your reasons.
>
> You haven't changed.  I don't know what it is that makes you antagonistic
> toward me. I am sure that I do not threaten you and I do not threaten the
> accountability process. Perhaps you could explain what it is about me that
> you don't like and we could deal with that, rather than your sniping at me
> for what I believe is no good reason.
>
> Thank you,
>
> George
>
> >
> > greetings, el
> >
> > --
> > Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
> >
> >> On 3 Dec 2015, at 17:14, George Sadowsky <george.sadowsky at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Eberhard,
> >>
> >> You have tried to bring me and my testiness back into this conversation
> twice.  Sorry, I refuse to play.
> >>
> >> I respect people who recognize agreed upon goals and work toward
> achieving them.  The majority of the CCWG is quite capable of doing this,
> and I welcome their inputs.  Let's get on with the work.
> >>
> >> George
> > [...]
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