[CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet Conference in China
Sivasubramanian M
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Fri Dec 25 17:00:53 UTC 2015
On Fri, Dec 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Seems all the more reason to get involved and try to stop them from
> achieving this goal.
>
> avri
+1
>
>
> On 25-Dec-15 11:44, Phil Corwin wrote:
>>
>> Really?
>>
>>
>>
>> Check these links:
>>
>> https://espresso.economist.com/c2cc4243fe2575474d57dfe7380fc9ef
>>
>> The grand title is misleading: the gathering will not celebrate the
>> joys of a borderless internet but promote “internet sovereignty”, a
>> web made up of sovereign fiefs, gagged by official censors.
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/12/15/459834560/chinas-internet-forum-may-provide-a-peek-at-its-cyber-ambitions
>>
>> One important theme, even if it's not stated explicitly, is how
>> governments can keep some level of control over the Internet…Hosting
>> the meeting is the head of China's Cyberspace Administration, a former
>> journalist named Lu Wei…He admitted that China does block some foreign
>> websites, but he unapologetically asserted China's right to pick its
>> friends and its business partners.
>>
>> "We do not welcome those who make money from China and occupy our
>> market while vilifying us," he said — a pointed reference to online
>> criticism of China. "No family likes to invite unfriendly people to be
>> their guests."
>>
>> China blocks many websites without which the Internet would be
>> unimaginable in the West — including Twitter, Facebook, The New York
>> Times and YouTube — because the government cannot control their content….
>>
>> / /
>>
>> http://www.techpolicydaily.com/technology/china-internet-governance/?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=paramount&utm_campaign=cict
>>
>> At the summit, China’s President Xi Jinping sent clear signals that
>> China plans to continue to control its Internet borders, and called
>> upon neighboring countries to support the right to do so. President Xi
>> called for “cyber sovereignty,” advocating that individual countries
>> should have the right to choose how and when to regulate the Internet
>> inside their physical borders without interference by other
>> governments. He outlined a digital future in which governments could
>> set online standards and challenge the free flow of information and
>> content across borders…In the eyes of the Chinese government, this
>> type of “cyber sovereignty” trumps free expression for individuals…
>>
>> * In his speech, President Xi called on governments to come together
>> to agree on guiding principles for Internet governance, and only
>> involving the non-governmental parts of today’s Internet community
>> once these principles are already solidified….*
>>
>> *China’s government-led approach to Internet governance is in direct
>> conflict with today’s multi-stakeholder model, where all constituents
>> of the online world – including NGOs, academia, the private sector,
>> and technical experts – have seats at the table.*
>>
>> */ /*
>>
>> Now some may respond that those are biased western views. So here’s
>> the official Chinese perspective, from two editorials that ran in
>> China Voice during WIC:
>>
>> http://www.wuzhenwic.org/2015-12/16/c_47759.htm
>>
>> The achievements partly rely on China's constant resolution to uphold
>> cyber-sovereignty - an individual country's right to choose its own
>> Internet regulation model - which biased Western critics decry as
>> negating the open nature of the Internet…*Cyber-sovereignty is also
>> key to the reform of the global Internet governance system where
>> existing rules "hardly reflect the desires and interests of a majority
>> of countries."*
>>
>> With its distinct competitive edges in information technology, the
>> U.S. has turned its tenet of "unilateral globalism" into the ugly
>> "global unilateralism" to build a cyberspace governance system that is
>> far from being fair and just.
>>
>> *That's why Xi called for a reform of international cyberspace
>> governance to one that features a multilateral approach*with
>> multi-party participation rather than "one party calling the shots."
>>
>>
>>
>> http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/17/c_134927991.htm
>>
>> Discussion of sovereignty over the Internet has long been a taboo,
>> dismissed in Western media as violation of freedom…With so much
>> discussion on the need to better guard cyber sovereignty and security,
>> the criticisms of China's cyberspace sovereignty by media are
>> irresponsible.
>>
>> Some Western media or tech firms are not allowed in China because they
>> are not willing to abide by Chinese laws. As a result, they may seize
>> the World Internet Conference as another opportunity to show their
>> grudges…The increasing number of users and the expanding market is the
>> best evidence that China's policies are working. *Temporary measures
>> to regulate cyberspace security will be meliorated and
>> institutionalized in the future, regardless of wrong accusations from
>> the outside*.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> All my research indicates that the goals of WIC are to advance an
>> agenda encompassing a multilateral model of Internet Governance and
>> gain international blessing for a concept of cyber sovereignty that
>> encompasses pervasive state surveillance and censorship.
>>
>>
>>
>> Fadi may advocate for the MSM within that context, but it’s likely to
>> be about as effective as preaching sobriety in a saloon.*//*
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>> *Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal*
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>> */"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey/*
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>>
>>
>> *From:*Tijani BEN JEMAA [mailto:tijani.benjemaa at benjemaa.com]
>> *Sent:* Friday, December 25, 2015 11:12 AM
>> *To:* farzaneh badii
>> *Cc:* Phil Corwin; avri at acm.org; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet Conference
>> in China
>>
>>
>>
>> I do agree with Avri. Fadi would never accept anything that leads to
>> an intergovernmental Internet Governance; at the contrary, I think it
>> is a way to reinforce the MSM in the advisory committee, and in the
>> World Internet Conference.
>>
>>
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>>
>> *Tijani BEN JEMAA*
>>
>> Directeur Exécutif
>>
>> Fédération Méditerranéenne des associations d'Internet (*FMAI*)
>>
>> Phone: +216 98 330 114
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>> +216 52 385 114
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>>
>> Le 25 déc. 2015 à 03:01, farzaneh badii <farzaneh.badii at gmail.com
>> <mailto:farzaneh.badii at gmail.com>> a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
>> I agree Phil. I think as well as global public interest, we should
>> define personal capacity. I don't really think decision makers
>> that have a prominent role in influencing people's views about the
>> organization can do anything that is related to Internet
>> governance and argue that it was in their personal capacity. the
>> line is blurry, people get confused as everyone got confused in
>> this occasion.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 December 2015 at 02:10, Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com
>> <mailto:psc at vlaw-dc.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Avri:
>>
>> I don't think this is a crisis, but it is a matter of judgment.
>>
>> Fadi was in Wuzhen on ICANN's dime. The Chinese press announcement
>> of his Co-Chair role prominently touts his ICANN affiliation and
>> thereby associates ICANN with the WIC. The WIC's objectives raises
>> substantial questions about whether it is compatible with the MSM.
>> And his post-ICANN role with a Chinese initiative that appears to
>> favor multilateral IG may raise questions in Washington that could
>> complicate lifting the freeze on the IANA transition.
>>
>> If I were a senior staff person I would want to give my Board
>> advance notice of such a decision prior to its public
>> announcement. But others may have a different POV.
>>
>> And with that, I shall stop and simply add -- Happy Holidays!
>>
>> Best, Philip
>>
>> Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
>> Virtualaw LLC
>> 1155 F Street, NW
>> Suite 1050
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>>
>> Twitter: @VlawDC
>>
>> "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
>> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] On
>> Behalf Of Avri Doria
>> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 7:47 PM
>> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet
>> Conference in China
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I do not understand the crisis over this decision. The guy took a
>> volunteer position, why does the Board need to approve that or
>> even be notified in advance. If it really bugs them, they can
>> tell him to give it up or leave sooner. But why should they
>> care? Is there some extraordinary expense to ICANN in this role?
>> Or does it just not fit into an isolationist position many are
>> taking toward ICANN participation in the larger Internet
>> governance environment.
>>
>> Are we tending a bit much toward micromanagement of the CEO? I
>> have never been one of his fans, but this seems a bit much to make
>> an issue over.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 24-Dec-15 09:47, Phil Corwin wrote:
>> > Bruce:
>> >
>> > >From your email it appears that the Board was briefed by Fadi
>> on his role as Co-Chair of the Advisory Committee after it was
>> publicly announced that he had accepted the position, indicating
>> that the Board was not advised in advance of his decision to
>> accept the role.
>> >
>> > Is that a correct interpretation of the sequence of events?
>> >
>> > Thank you and best regards,
>> > Philip
>> >
>> > Philip S. Corwin, Founding Principal
>> > Virtualaw LLC
>> > 1155 F Street, NW
>> > Suite 1050
>> > Washington, DC 20004
>> > 202-559-8597/Direct
>> > 202-559-8750/Fax
>> > 202-255-6172/cell
>> >
>> > Twitter: @VlawDC
>> >
>> > "Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
>> > [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] On
>> Behalf Of
>> > Bruce Tonkin
>> > Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 6:07 AM
>> > To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>> > Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] Follow-up from the Word Internet Conference in
>> > China
>> >
>> >
>> > Hello All,
>> >
>> > I have had a few requests for information on ICANN's
>> participation in
>> > the World Internet Conference which was held in Wuzhen, China:
>> > http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/cnleaders/2015WIC/ and
>> > http://www.wicwuzhen.cn/english
>> >
>> > ICANN sent a contingent to the conference as part of its
>> Strategic Goal 1.2 "Bring ICANN to the world by creating a
>> balanced and proactive approach to regional engagement with
>> stakeholders."
>> >
>> > Fadi attended as CEO and gave a speech, and George Sadowsky
>> attended as a Board member.
>> >
>> > Subsequent to the conference, the conference organizers
>> announced that Fadi would co-chair a high level advisory committee
>> for the next conference.
>> >
>> > http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-12/18/c_134928240.htm
>> >
>> > The Board had a call with Fadi to get a briefing.
>> >
>> > Fadi has now posted a blog that notes that he has accepted this
>> role in his personal capacity, and the advisory committee will
>> meet after his term as CEO is completed in March 2016.
>> >
>> > See:
>> >
>> https://www.icann.org/news/blog/my-transition-from-icann-ceo-an-update
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Bruce Tonkin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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