[CCWG-Accountability] Regarding how bylaw changes are made

Thu Jan 1 21:47:10 UTC 2015

Dear Phil,
In your view, Which community and Under Which Legal representation  and
using Which criteria designate the Board Members ?
Are you referring to Nomcom as représentatives of the entire  Global
Multistakeholder Community or in your view community has specific pattern
consisting of specific group of people?
Do you believe that the current designation fully respecting  the notion of
inclussiveness and full democracy?
May you kindly clarify the situation.
Regards
Kavouss

2015-01-01 22:38 GMT+01:00 Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>:

> Dear Paul,
> The way you commenting on the matter could have two different
> interprétations or leave two different impressions:
> A) You are a firm supporter of accountabilty process when we note your
> comments about Mathieu
> B) You wish to raise the question Under discussion to the Board asking
> what they wish to see from CCWG and what they do not see from CCWG .The
> latter interpretation ,in my view, seems to be subordinating CCWG to the
> Board in the sense that we just study, elaborate and recoomend those area
> of accountability that Board is comfortable with but not CCWG address the
> full picture, objectives, requiremnets of accountability.
> Pls find a coherence between interpretation A) and interpretation B) .In
> order words if you are really in favour of addressing the accountability in
> a fullflege scope why you want to limit CCWG to just follow those areas of
> accountability that Board wishes?
> Thank you very much to clarify your position.
> Best Regards
> Kavouss
>
> 2015-01-01 21:35 GMT+01:00 Paul Rosenzweig <
> paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>:
>
>> Bruce is a wonderful man.  But we don’t need his opinion, we need a
>> formal commitment from the Board.  That’s why we need to ask the question
>> in an official manner.
>>
>>
>>
>> Indeed, I would posit that if the accountability working group tasked
>> with ensuring accountability by ICANN is reluctant to even ask the Board a
>> question then the communities capacity to actually reign in Board excess
>> when/if it perceives such would be very limited.  If we are so unwilling to
>> even ask a question, will we be willing to tell the Board “no.”
>>
>>
>>
>> In any event, if we choose not to ask this question, then the scope of
>> WS1 has just expanded to essentially include almost all oversight
>> mechanisms we might conceivably want – which would, I think, be the wrong
>> result.
>>
>>
>>
>> Warm regards
>>
>> Paul
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>> *From:* Kavouss Arasteh [mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 1, 2015 10:09 AM
>> *To:* Seun Ojedeji
>> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Regarding how bylaw changes are made
>>
>>
>>
>> Dear All
>>
>> I agree to the term that no one should dictate the CCWG.
>>
>> Still why there is a need that we  raise any such question to the Board,
>>
>>  Bruce is quite active and requested to continue the Liaison
>>
>> Kavouss
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
>> On 1 Jan 2015, at 15:28, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bruce,
>>
>> Thanks for this information, I will then suggest that this WG determine
>> if those steps will indeed be appropriate for us especially since WS1 is
>> more of a perquisite to transition. One would expect some adjustments on
>> timing and wording rights to be made in the process, also board voting
>> rights in this particular process may need to be agreed upon. It will not
>> be encouraging to have  implementation stopped on the basis of no 2/3 board
>> majority....time utilization is an important factor in all these. So the
>> earlier we involve board (without having them dictate for us) the better.
>>
>> Regards
>> sent from Google nexus 4
>> kindly excuse brevity and typos.
>>
>> On 1 Jan 2015 04:55, "Bruce Tonkin" <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Seun,
>>
>> >>  I think writing to board to know how it will treat the WG outcome
>> especially when some of it's implementations will require by-law
>> modifications that further involve the ICANN community in decision making
>> process may be useful.
>>
>> In terms of the process for making bylaws changes, changes have
>> previously been made to accommodate recommendations from the review teams
>> associated with the work of the Accountability and Transparency Review
>> Teams (ATRT)  https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/atrt-2012-02-25-en .
>>
>> Any archive of all previous versions of the bylaws is available here:
>> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/archive-bc-2012-02-25-en
>>
>> Based on our current practice I would expect the process to be as follows:
>>
>> - Board accepts recommendations from the CCWG
>>
>> - General Counsel's office prepares specific text to change in the bylaws
>>
>> - proposed bylaws changes are put out for public comment  (45 days)
>>
>> - Board then votes on the bylaws amendments  - a 2/3 majority of the
>> Board is required to make a bylaw change
>>
>> If there is significant community comments against the proposed bylaws
>> language - then a new draft of the bylaws would be put out for public
>> comment that is consistent with the recommendations from the CCWG.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bruce Tonkin
>>
>>
>>
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