[CCWG-Accountability] Regarding Non-profit and public-benefit legal structure

Sat Jan 10 15:57:01 UTC 2015

Dear All,
Thank you very much for the indepth review of the  possible options .
However, there is one problem and that is the way in which the issue is
pursued.
We need to strat to draft something and amend that as per received comments
.The way we progress is that we are opening too many Windows and would be
difficult how to converge.
Some people are very pessimistic about members and their authorities.
I do not see any problem as such since members act according to their
rights and responsibilities.
Another issue is that we have concentrated on California Laws only.
Is that the only possible law Under which the ICANN could function ?
KAVOUSS

2015-01-08 20:09 GMT+01:00 Carrie Devorah <carriedev at gmail.com>:

> El
> You did ok emailing me directly after all, ICANN is about transparency.
> Correct? If you have something to say, I do want to hear about it. If you
> have questions you want to ask or references for precedence, let me know.
> The coordinated work here is about building the better mousetrap together.
> IF you chose not to be open, then, well, you fly in the face of what ICANN
> purports to be...
> Carrie Devorah
> www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com
>
> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Dr Eberhard WLisse <epilisse at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dear co-chairs, I apologize having emailed that person directly. Most
>> likely because of the iPhone not displaying the addresses like Thinderbird
>> wjich I am used to.
>>
>> I will try to avoid this in the futre.
>>
>> el
>>
>> --
>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 20:53, Carrie Devorah <carriedev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Dr. Lisse
>> There are also local laws that are too often overlooked but no less laws
>> that must be complied with, as there are Regulatory oversite that ends up
>> in Slap in the Wrist results most often and when necessary turned over to
>> the DOJ.
>> We all have different approaches and POV's on this conversation. TBR, to
>> be respected.
>> Carrie Devorah
>> www.centerforcopyrightintegrity.com
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Though the co-chairs, AGAIN,
>>>
>>> can we PLEASE dispense with trying to explain the basics to someone who
>>> most definitively has not taken the opportunity to do her homework in this
>>> regard?
>>>
>>> This is a reasonably high volume Mailing List and it is difficult enough
>>> to try and keep up without these distractions.
>>>
>>> el
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2015, at 16:07, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Carrie:
>>>
>>> That's exactly how it works, and the only way it works.  Remember that
>>> the US is a federal system with two pertinent tiers of laws -- state and
>>> federal.
>>>
>>> Organizations are created under state law, not under federal law (with
>>> extremely rare exceptions).  Federal tax exemption is handled (by
>>> definition) at the federal level.  A not-for-profit organization must first
>>> incorporate under state law, and then proceed to seek a federal tax
>>> exemption as a non-profit under 501(c)(3) (or other relevant subsections
>>> for particular types of organizations).
>>>
>>> In other words, an organization cannot apply for federal tax exemption
>>> under 501(c)(3) *until* it has incorporated as a non-profit under the
>>> law of a state of the U.S. [While there are organizations other than
>>> corporations that may qualify for federal tax exemptions, such as trusts
>>> and "community chests," they are not relevant to this discussion.]
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> Greg Shatan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Carrie <carriedev at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thank you Bruce. But according to Ed 's California corporation
>>>> registration number they have registered already as a ca corp. please
>>>> explain how this occurs being a corp on CA at the same time registered as a
>>>> non profit w the IRS ?
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> > On Jan 8, 2015, at 7:57 AM, Bruce Tonkin <
>>>> Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hello Edward,
>>>> >
>>>> >>> I'm unaware of any current plan to shift ICANN status from
>>>> non-profit to profit, although some have called for such a change (see, for
>>>> example:
>>>> http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/technology/227726-icanns-number-is-up
>>>> ).
>>>> >
>>>> > That is right - there is no plan from either the Board or staff to
>>>> change from being a non-profit entity, and I haven't heard any SO or AC
>>>> make that suggestion either.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Bruce Tonkin
>>>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Sincerely
>> CARRIE Devorah
>>  562 688 2883
>>
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> Sincerely
> CARRIE Devorah
>  562 688 2883
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>
>
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