[CCWG-Accountability] [Area 2] Work Streams definition
Matthew Shears
mshears at cdt.org
Thu Jan 15 16:16:07 UTC 2015
Not to belabor this much more, and I may be being pedantic...
It appears to read as if WS1 is about putting in place mechanisms that
"provide the community with confidence" but not specifically about
putting in place accountability mechanisms or measures. There is a big
difference between putting in in place process mechanisms to provide
confidence (as it now seems to imply) and putting in place actual
accountability mechanisms which is what the original definition
suggested. The second definition is fine for so long as it explicitly
includes the first as well.
It might be better if it read something like:
*Work Stream 1*: is focused on mechanisms that 1) enhance ICANN's
accountability and must be in place or committed to within the time
frame of the IANA Stewardship Transition, and 2) that provide the
community with confidence that any accountability measures that would
further enhance ICANN's accountability would be implemented if it had
consensus support from the community, even if it were to encounter ICANN
management resistance or if it were against the interest of ICANN as a
corporate entity.
Matthew
On 1/15/2015 10:40 AM, Jordan Carter wrote:
> I agree with Paul, Mathieu etc - the Charter language is the skeleton.
> The language proposed sets out to characterise why we would select
> items - i.e. why they have to be done before the transition.
>
> We have to set out transparently the criteria we are using to decide
> what has to be in place. This language helps do that.
>
> best
> Jordan
>
> On 16 January 2015 at 04:17, Kavouss Arasteh
> <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
> I do not understand who agreed with whom
> What has been changed from the Charter.
> I personally fully agree with the following
> Quote
> "*/_in the absence “_/**/_mechanisms [that] would provide the
> community with confidence that any accountability mechanism that
> would further enhance ICANN's accountability ( in relation with
> work stream 1 of CCWG ,for three distinct areas , Naming, Numbers
> and Protocols, including parameter ) could be implemented if it
> had consensus support from the community” the IANA Functions
> transition should not occur." _/*
> */_Unquote_/*
> _
> _
> _Kavouss _
>
> 2015-01-15 16:06 GMT+01:00 Edward Morris <emorris at milk.toast.net
> <mailto:emorris at milk.toast.net>>:
>
> +1
> Paul has eloquently expressed my views in a manner far
> superior to anything I could write. Thanks.
> One could argue that our current system of accountability and
> transparency (reconsideration, Appeal, CEP, IR, DIDP), with
> some tweaks, should actually be sufficient going forward. It
> looks great: on paper. The problem is that a system designed
> for redress (per Bruce) actually functions as a system of
> review (per Robin), and a rather cursory review system
> at that. We simply must have mechanisms designed to ensure
> that we have real systems of accountability, ones that does
> not rely on the good faith and open-mindedness of any
> particular Board or staff member or group, in place before the
> transition can be allowed to occur.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Paul Rosenzweig"
> <paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com
> <mailto:paul.rosenzweig at redbranchconsulting.com>>
> To: "'Tijani BEN JEMAA'" <tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn
> <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>>,
> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2015 09:22:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Work Streams definition
> Respetful disagreement. I think the way it describes
> types of mechanisms in the “new” definition is exactly
> what needs to be in place before the Stewardship
> transition takes place. Put another way, I think that the
> exposition in WS1 precisely describes the commitments that
> MUST be made before a transition is allowed to occur.
> More importantly, I think there is growing consensus
> across the community that this is so. To state it
> affirmatively – in the absence “mechanisms [that] would
> provide the community with confidence that any
> accountability mechanism that would further enhance
> ICANN's accountability would be implemented if it had
> consensus support from the community” the IANA Functions
> transition should not occur.
> Paul
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> *From:* Tijani BEN JEMAA
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> <mailto:tijani.benjemaa at fmai.org.tn>]
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 15, 2015 4:53 AM
> *To:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> *Subject:* [CCWG-Accountability] Work Streams definition
> Dear all,
> I read again the new proposed definition of the Work
> Streams, and I found it too different from the one in our
> charter:
> In the charter:
> ·*Work Stream 1*: focused on mechanisms enhancing ICANN
> accountability that must be in place or committed to
> within the time frame of the IANA Stewardship Transition;
> ·*Work Stream 2*: focused on addressing accountability
> topics for which a timeline for developing solutions and
> full implementation may extend beyond the IANA Stewardship
> Transition
> The new proposal:
> ·*Work Stream 1* mechanisms are those that, when in place
> or committed to, would provide the community with
> confidence that any accountability mechanism that would
> further enhance ICANN's accountability would be
> implemented if it had consensus support from the
> community, even if it were to encounter ICANN management
> resistance or if it were against the interest of ICANN as
> a corporate entity.
> ·All other consensus items could be in *Work Stream 2*,
> provided there are mechanisms in WS1 adequate to force
> implementation of WS2 items despite resistance from ICANN
> management and board.
> I don’t believe that we are allowed to change any part of
> the charter without going back to the chartering
> organizations and ask for their approval.
> On the other hand, the separation of WS 1 and WS 2 was for
> the purpose of having the accountability mechanisms
> necessary before the transition done in time, and the new
> definition doesn’t satisfy this requirement
> I would prefer stay with the charter definition for all
> those reasons
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