[CCWG-Accountability] Level of Discourse / Rules of Order

Sat Jan 17 21:11:38 UTC 2015

All,

I can’t agree more with James and Keith’s comments here.

Both James and I were at Namescon 2015 last week in Vegas – it’s our job /
income.

so I’ m personally struggling to keep up.

Please please all remain on topic- accountability and transparency – treat
everybody with respect even if your views are fundamentally different.

As a note (of warning) to All:

Akram Atullah, ICANN ‘s Head of the Generic Domain Division responsible for
new gTLDs (personal friend of ICANN’s CEO)  – was a keynote speaker –
publicly stated that ICANN would not contribute to a global marketing effort
to boost user awareness- the programme is seriously off budget/target
registrations. However the whole programme was agreed to as “not for
profit”. I say again – ICANN 2013 financial audited, signed statements show
a $ 80m “profit” . Something is wrong here 

.

Regards,

Phil

From: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of James
M. Bladel
Sent: 17 January 2015 19:17
To: Drazek, Keith
Cc: Accountability Cross Community
Subject: Re: [CCWG-Accountability] Level of Discourse / Rules of Order

All:

I do not post often (see good advice from Roelof), but agree completely with
Keith.  

The quantity (too high) and quality (too low) of posts on this list is
making it nearly impossible to stay current.  Can we ask that traffic be
reduced only to those substantive discussions that move our work forward?  

I promise to commit myself to the same.

Thanks-- 

J.

____________

James Bladel

GoDaddy

On Jan 17, 2015, at 09:37, Drazek, Keith <kdrazek at verisign.com> wrote:

Dear Co-Chairs, 

I request that personal, non-substantive differences between individual
members/participants be resolved off-list so the group can remain focused on
our work. I think we can all be accountable for keeping the discourse
professional and respectful. 

Thanks and regards, 

Keith

On Jan 17, 2015, at 1:52 AM, "Dr Eberhard W Lisse" <el at lisse.na> wrote:

Dear Thomas and co-chairs

thank you very much for your reply.

I disagree with your statement that this should be done off list. It MUST be
done on the same forum where it occurs. If only for accountability. 

I for one will post and say whatever I want wherever I want, though as you
have noted without being disruptive and through the co-chairs, which is a
recognized device in deliberative organizations, for example quoted from:

http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/roberts-rules-participating-in-meeting
s-as-a-membe.html

for your convenience:

<quote>

Speaking through the chair

When addressing another member, you never go wrong by speaking through the
chair. Refrain from using the member's name if you can avoid it. Respect is
conveyed by depersonalizing comments made in debate. For example, "Mr.
Chairman, does the member who just spoke have information on the cost of his
proposal?" works much better than, "Dang it Fred, have you thought about how
much your stupid idea is gonna cost us?" Formality has its benefits.

</quote>

greetings, el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

On Jan 16, 2015, at 22:21, Thomas Rickert <rickert at anwaelte.de> wrote:

All,
we have been addressed as co-chairs to take action based on various comments
and complaints issued by Dr. Eberhard Lisse.

We take good note of the complaints and plan to discuss this with Dr. Lisse
when we meet in Frankfurt.

We do not think that a public mailing list is the right forum issue nor to
respond to the complaints. Complaints, if any, should be addressed to us
offlist to allow us to deal with them appropriately.

At the same time, we would like to encourage the whole group to focus on the
plethora of questions we have to work on and thank Roelof for reminding us
of the wise encouragement to be conservative in what we send and liberal in
what we receive.

Thank you and kind regards,
León Sánchez, Mathieu Weill and Thomas Rickert

Am 15.01.2015 um 23:46 schrieb Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na>:

Dear Co-Chairs,

I wish to file a formal complaint about the disorder during the last

telephone call and demand that this be dealt with forthwith.

After an apparent technical issue regarding Mr Arasteh, having being

allegedly repeatedly phoned under an incorrect number, when he

finally connected to the bridge he raised his voice and repeatedly

interrupted the chair, while not having the floor/having been

recognized.

In 25 year of dealing with this stuff I have never experienced an

outburst like the one displayed by the ICG Liaison and Participant.

It is furthermore disturbing to me since the gentleman is a

professional negotiator of 40 years experience and a GAC

representative.

I also believe that such conduct is unacceptable under ICANN's rules

of behavior but in any case it is not acceptable to me and I demand

that steps are taken to prevent this from happening again.

Non withstanding the above I suppose an investigation into the

allegations of him being unable to be contacted might be in order,

and I for one look forward into find out what actually happened and

what can be done to prevent this from happening again, if anything.

That said, I notice with alarming regularly issues with individuals

being unable to access Adobe Connect and/or connecting to the call.

This is equally disturbing and hence I would appreciate if this

could be looked into as well.

I for one am setting aside some time on TechDay on Monday of the

ICANN meeting in Singapore, for an Adobe Workshop of sorts, where we

could among other issues demonstrate how one can not only listen but

also speak (directly) through the net, ie without requiring a dial

in/out.

Then there is the possibility to use Skype's dial out which works,

free of charge to US based toll free numbers.

Finally, I use a privately owned Asterix switchboard via a (Bria 3)

soft-phone on my Mac to dial a UK based toll free number, which

works extremely well with very little bandwidth from (the developing

country) Namibia.

I have asked Bart Boswinkel a while back to look into setting up SIP

access of sort, I could envisage an Asterix server which only allows

the dialing of toll free numbers (related to ICANN work).  I have

not heard back from him, yet.

This is not meant as criticism, in particular not of the chairs, who

have been bending over backwards in order to be inclusive.

greetings, el

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