[CCWG-ACCT] Membership thoughts

Sun Jan 25 06:37:17 UTC 2015

Dear Co-chairs,

please inform this member of the second oldest profession that I do not accept his "apology".

I did not accuse anyone of being a troll, I stated facts.

I did not send anyone back to my home continent, I just requested that the troll concerned ply his trade on a particular mailing list to which I subscribe too and on which I merrily enjoy myself in the full knowledge that the list is content-free.

I have no idea to what the troll is affiliated, nor do I care. 

However, AfriNIC is one of the Regional IP Address Registries, which has nothing to do with the Regional Organizations (of the ccNSO) nor with NA-NiC nor myself, who manage a ccTLD, ie Names. 

I personally doubt that the RIRs would qualify as "members" as they are accountable (if at all) only to their clients (recipients of address blocks) no matter what they call them.

All these facts are easily established, especially for someone who holds himself out as knowledgeable on these matters. 

Not everybody has something to contribute, some steadfastly refuse to inform oneself before "contributing". Hence those "contributions" are mostly worthless and distracting. And then there are the cases of moderate to severe logorrhea, some even in combination.

And finally, I do not run around with a pillow case on my head.

greetings, el

Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini

> On Jan 24, 2015, at 19:43, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> [...]
> Now, let's get back to work.  Perhaps if the good Doctor had answered my request for his reasoning the first time, Seun wouldn't have made his (entirely reasonable) observation that his response didn't provide any reasoning, causing the good Doctor to accuse him of being a troll and attempting to send hm back to Africa (or at least AFRICANN).
> 
> Perhaps (and this is sheer speculation, of course), the good Doctor's approach to Seun might be due to the fact that Seun is affiliated with AfriNIC?
> 
> In any event, I apologize for any part I've played in dragging this into the ditch.
> 
> We can only advance if we treat each other with respect, understanding that everyone here has something to contribute and that nobody's perfect.
> 
> Greg Shatan
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>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 11:50 AM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:
>> I know he has a lot to do with small babies yes
>> 
>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>> +506 8837 7176 (New Number)
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>> 
>>> El ene 24, 2015, a las 10:17 AM, Adebunmi AKINBO <akinbo.adebunmi at gmail.com> escribió:
>>> 
>> 
>>> I guess EL is 8.
>>> -Akinbo.
>>> 
>>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 2:47 PM, "Carlos Raúl G." <crg at isoc-cr.org> wrote:
>>>> How old are you?
>>>> 
>>>> Carlos Raúl Gutiérrez
>>>> +506 8837 7176 (New Number)
>>>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> > El ene 23, 2015, a las 11:36 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> escribió:
>>>> >
>>>> > Just to state this early, over my dead boy will the Regional Organizations of the ccNSO have anything to do or say in this.
>>>> >
>>>> > I would not mind every (cc)TLD Manager.
>>>> >
>>>> > el
>>>> >
>>>> > Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>> >
>>>> >> On Jan 24, 2015, at 01:32, Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin at melbourneit.com.au> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Hello Greg,
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>>> Just brainstorming: one possibility may be to create "mirror" or "alter ego" organizations (perhaps corporations, perhaps some other form of organized entity), roughly along the lines of the NRO/ASO relationship (the ASO is an ICANN internal structure, while the NRO is not, yet they are essentially "alter egos").  Thus, each SO and AC could create an entity independent of ICANN, but answerable to that SO and AC.  The external entities could then be members of ICANN.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My understanding also is that to be "members"  the organizations would need to be legal entities.   In a few of the examples given in this thread,  the "coordinating" organizations are not yet established as legal entities.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> For example, the Number Resource Organization ( https://www.nro.net/) is a coordinating body for the 5 Regional Internet Registries (RIRs).   These five RIRs are legal entities - so it may make more sense for them to be the "members" of ICANN.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> My understanding is that groups like the Registrar constituency, and the registrar stakeholder group (http://www.icannregistrars.org/ ) are deliberately not established as legal entities, or as trade associations.    They are coordinating groups - but any legal agreements etc are always between individual registrars as legal entities and ICANN.      Recently a domain name industry association was established - I assume this is a legal entity (http://www.thedna.org/ ).
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Regards,
>>>> >> Bruce Tonkin
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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