[CCWG-ACCT] Call(s) on Thursday

Dr Eberhard W Lisse el at lisse.na
Wed Jul 29 23:59:05 UTC 2015


Jordan,

you are quite wrong.

Neither the USG nor the technical Community has imposed a deadline, nor has ICANN, but even if it had it didn't matter.

This is evidently quite self imposed, predominantly by the Co-Chairs, and to be honest I am neither clear about their motivation,  or do I particularly care. That certain interests dominate the proceedings is reflected in the voluminous record.

This convoluted, obfuscated rush job is not going to achieve the mandate set by the Charter.

Taking more time to refine its details would most certainly not achieve much, I grant you that, but then I personally have believed for a while and stated so, that we are doing this wrong.

And your last paragraph plain does not make sense. If they have been same why are we having numerous calls this week and even a F2F meeting in Paris about them, then?

I doubt you would accept such a methodology if your company depended on the outcome. And, the only reason why .NZ doesn't is that is fortunate in that it has an understanding with its very reasonable government.

el

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> On Jul 29, 2015, at 20:39, Jordan Carter <jordan at internetnz.net.nz> wrote:
> 
> Nigel, you could be cynical, or you could not be.
> 
> I would far rather we had had more time to do this process. But the powers that be have imposed a timeline on us. It is not self-created urgency in the slightest. It is urgency that comes from, among other places, ICANN itself; the United States Government; parts of the technical community who have wanted to be without the USG link for a very long time.
> 
> Please don't assert there's some kind of conspiracy here, because I don't know anyone who thinks that the timeframes for our work have been perfect.
> 
> The participants' best efforts, and the excellent legal advice we have had, gives me great confidence that the proposal we are fining up on will not have serious unintended consequences. 
> 
> Taking another year would not mean an infinitely better proposal. The writing might end up more elegant, but the analysis and the project is the work already of years of reflection and debate by many groups. 
> 
> I'll close with a quite dull procedural point - the documents that you are not getting much time to review for these calls are generally a) making tiny, incremental changes from previous versions, and b) have been substantially the same for weeks. Nothing is being "sprung" on anyone right now. 
> 
> 
> best
> Jordan
> 
> 
> 
>> On 29 July 2015 at 20:27, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net> wrote:
>> As a mere participant I have found it almost impossible to join the calls due to the vast number of them and the release of important documents no more than hours before.
>> 
>> If I was cynical, I would suggest this method of working was deliberately exclusionary.
>> 
>> As several other participants know from their membership of another extremely important and potentially controversial WG, there is another, better, way.
>> 
>> But that would incompatible with the self-created urgency.
>> 
>> I am beginning to become seriously worried that major changes will be made to the ICANN structure and IANA relationship without the time for due consideration, just because there's a US Presidential election in the office.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 07/29/2015 09:05 AM, Dr Eberhard Lisse wrote:
>>> I have a previous engagement at 17:00 UTC.
>>> 
>>> And as previously I object against having 2 or more calls on the same day.
>>> 
>>> greetings, el
>>> 
>>>> On 2015-07-29 08:23, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>> 
>>>> The poll is now closed. Staff will proceed to schedule _two calls
>>>> for Thursday 30 July_:
>>>> 
>>>>    * 11:00 – 13:00 UTC
>>>>    * 17:00 – 19:00 UTC (this call may need to be extended depending on
>>>>      progress made)
>>>> 
>>>> Please look forward to calendar notices. The Agenda will follow later
>>>> today.
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Grace
>>> [...]
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