[CCWG-ACCT] Communique - revised - any feedback by midnight Argentina time

[Dr Eberhard W Lisse]

Dear Co-Chairs,

Your Co-Chair is being quite economical with the truth.


el

On 2015-06-21 17:02 , León Felipe Sánchez Ambía wrote:
> Eberhard,
> 
> Again.  This is a blunt misrepresentation of facts and
> manipulation of what I said.
> 
> I did approach you to say hi as a common courtesy to anyone I meet
> and I reiterated to you that the statement was drafted, openly
> read out loud, circulated for feedback and then published.  To
> that you replied, “Then I am right, that is not a deliberation
> and since you don’t give a shit about process, I have objected
> to it on the list”.
> 
> Those are the facts.
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> 
> León
> 
>> El 21/06/2015, a las 15:42, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na> escribió:
>>
>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>
>> Please note that your Co-Chair approached me in the lobby
>> and stated: "You were right about the statement, it was not deliberated".
>>
>> Hence, I am most certainly not the one misrepresenting anything.
>>
>>
>> Please inform our colleague that he may seek whatever he wants,
>> which he does all the time anyway, but fortunately there have been
>> witnesses, of which he was not one.
>>
>> Please also inform your Co-Chair that I have not singled his last
>> reply out, and that since CCWG Accountability has been included in
>> all correspondence in this regards and since I will ensure that all
>> his future responses hereto will be forwarded to the mailing lists there
>> is no substance to his comments.
>>
>> As usual.
>>
>> greetings, el
>>
>>
>> On 2015-06-21 13:37 , Drazek, Keith wrote:
>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>
>>> I request you seek a retraction and formal apology from our
>>> colleague for this very unfortunate, but perhaps not surprising,
>>> turn of events.
>>>
>>> Thanks and regards, Keith
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 1:27 PM, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>>> <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Eberhard,
>>>>
>>>> This is a blunt misrepresentation and manipulation of my reply.
>>>> Not to mention that you have copied lists to which I am not
>>>> entitled to post to my detriment.
>>>>
>>>> Saludos,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> León
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Enviado desde el móvil. Disculpa brevedad y errores tipográficos.
>>>>
>>>> El jun 21, 2015, a las 12:26 PM, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>>> <epilisse at gmail.com <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear Co-Chairs
>>>>>
>>>>> I wish to thank your collleague Leon very much for admitting in
>>>>> person that it was not deliberated.
>>>>>
>>>>> el
>>>>> --
>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:06, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse at gmail.com
>>>>> <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Reading out loud is not deliberating.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So It is correct.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> el
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 12:01, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>>>>>> <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That is not correct. It was read out loud, circulated for feedback
>>>>>>> and then published.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Objection noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> León
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> El 21/06/2015, a las 11:57, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>>>>>>> <epilisse at gmail.com <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So what I hear that it was drafted by the Co-Chairs during lunch
>>>>>>>> is correct. Never mind that it was not deliberated by the plenum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Since the statement uses past tense it is at best misleading.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, for the record, I object against the statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greetings, el
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2015, at 09:46, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
>>>>>>>> <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx <mailto:leonfelipe at sanchez.mx>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dear Eberhard,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This was drafted before the end of our working day session, read
>>>>>>>>> out loud to attendants and circulated for feedback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> León
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> El 21/06/2015, a las 9:29, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na
>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:el at lisse.na>> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dear Co-Chairs,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have not received a substantive response to my request.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> My understanding is that it was drafted before the meeting was
>>>>>>>>>> finished, over lunch.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I demand an answer.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 23:07, Dr Eberhard W Lisse
>>>>>>>>>> <epilisse at gmail.com <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When EXACTLY was this drafted?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> el
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPhone 5s
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 19, 2015, at 17:10, Jordan Carter
>>>>>>>>>>> <jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Attached in doc and pdf are the updated communique - clean,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and showing all the changes tracked. Mathieu finalised this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've also pasted the clean version below for easy reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Any comments or issues please to the list or the co-chairs by
>>>>>>>>>>>> midnight Argentina time (around seven hours from time of
>>>>>>>>>>>> sending)*.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [...]
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