[CCWG-ACCT] revised deck

Chris Disspain ceo at auda.org.au
Wed Jun 24 19:24:16 UTC 2015 

I agree with Roelof.

Further, if the funding of PTI by ICANN is a fundamental by-law and is part of the contract between PTI and ICANN then PTI could enforce because it is a legal entity.


Cheers,

Chris

> On 25 Jun 2015, at 05:07 , Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl> wrote:
> 
> Becky, all,
> 
> I am aware that I risk beginning to sound like an old record.
> 
> But the phrase: "the designator approach does not deliver full authority on budget and therefore jeopardize meeting CWG conditions.” needs clarification in my opinion. And possibly correction.
> 
> Because with “full authority” I assume that you mean legal enforceability. Many might not understand that.
> Additionaly, I am unsure if the CWG conditions go as far as to specify that the community’s position on (or: veto of) the budget should (in itself) be legally enforceable. If however that is the case, I think it is a silly condition that needs revision. Like I said this morning: if the community has to have it’s veto of the budget legally enforced, the disconnect between the board and the community is so complete, that the board would have to (be forced to) resign. So there’s no need at all for a condition that the mechanism should deliver full authority on the budget.
> 
> Best,
> 
> Roelof Meijer
> 
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>> on behalf of Becky Burr <Becky.Burr at neustar.biz <mailto:Becky.Burr at neustar.biz>>
> Date: woensdag 24 juni 2015 14:44
> To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> Subject: [CCWG-ACCT] revised deck
> 
> I have modified the Empowered SO/SC Model deck to reflect some of the issues that have come up in our discussions since Friday.  Please don’t be concerned if it does not reflect an issue of particular concern to you - this is still very much a discussion draft.  
> 
> 
> J. Beckwith Burr
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> From: <Burr>, Becky Burr <becky.burr at neustar.biz <mailto:becky.burr at neustar.biz>>
> Date: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 5:32 PM
> To: Keith Drazek <kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
> Cc: "directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>" <directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>>, Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] A question about WS1 v WS2
> 
> To amplify on Keith’s point – we must get it done right, and in a timely fashion.   I see both as mandatory criteria.  Neither objective should – or need be – sacrificed in the name of the other.   We have a window of opportunity that may close, at least for some period of time, as 2016 progresses.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> J. Beckwith Burr
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> From: <Drazek>, Keith Drazek <kdrazek at verisign.com <mailto:kdrazek at verisign.com>>
> Date: Monday, June 22, 2015 at 11:43 PM
> To: Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>>
> Cc: "directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>" <directors at omadhina.net <mailto:directors at omadhina.net>>, Accountability Community <accountability-cross-community at icann.org <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] A question about WS1 v WS2
> 
> 
> Thank you Kavouss and Jonathan and Jordan. 
> 
> We need to get our work done correctly AND in a timely manner to enable a successful transition. 
> 
> I believe we can do both. They are not mutually exclusive.
> 
> That is precisely why we agreed to bifurcate our work into WS-1 and WS-2.
> 
> Regards,
> Keith
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 22, 2015, at 9:13 PM, Kavouss Arasteh <kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com <mailto:kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>> Agree with Jonathan
>> We must concentrate on priority actions 
>> Pls do not involve  us in something which is not pressing . We have littlke time
>> We do not want to spent hours and hours on these like those hours that we wasted on UA.
>> We were misled and we do not want to do it again
>> The working method and priorities must be identified and decided at the level of the main group and not at the level of working parties
>> Regards
>> Kavouss  
>> 
>> 2015-06-23 0:23 GMT+02:00 Barrack Otieno <otieno.barrack at gmail.com <mailto:otieno.barrack at gmail.com>>:
>>> Hi Colleagues,
>>> 
>>> In agreement with Dr. Lisse, we need to get it right nonetheless the
>>> essence of strategy is choosing what not to do. (Michael Porter)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 6/23/15, Dr Eberhard W Lisse <el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
>>> > Dear Co-Chairs,
>>> >
>>> > he's wrong. As usual.
>>> >
>>> > We need to get it right. Not get it done.
>>> >
>>> > Never mind that Strickling has pronounced himself very clearly and
>>> > repeatedly.
>>> >
>>> > el
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>> >
>>> >> On Jun 22, 2015, at 17:24, Jonathan Zuck <JZuck at actonline.org <mailto:JZuck at actonline.org>> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I certainly agree with your interpretation, Jordan. The pressing nature of
>>> >> the transition dictates we limit our function to empowering the community
>>> >> and not trying to solve every challenge of ICANN accountability. There’s a
>>> >> great deal that can and should be done to improve the accountability of
>>> >> the organization as a whole including operational improvements and
>>> >> metrics, facilitating periodic participation in policy development and
>>> >> greater use of data in policy development as well as establishing a
>>> >> culture of continuous improvement (working on those two!).
>>> >>
>>> >> But we can't do that in WS1
>>> >>
>>> >> Jonathan Zuck
>>> >> President
>>> >> ACT: The App Association
>>> >> http://Www.ACTonline.org <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__Www.ACTonline.org&d=AwMF_g&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=lYaanM0LtSkNzSSPuIrVvnPTHZ729G7_pp66_aXJ1Ik&s=bUvwXc-OhZpubppydzO11hdbQulw89NTJxF-PfVf0MA&e=>
>>> >>
>>> >> From: Jordan Carter
>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 22, 2015 5:19 PM
>>> >> To: Accountability CCWG
>>> >>
>>> >> Hi all
>>> >>
>>> >> I had the dubious pleasure of reading a post by one of our participants
>>> >> which got me thinking a range of things[1].. some of them constructive
>>> >> :-)
>>> >>
>>> >> One is something I wanted to test others' views on.
>>> >>
>>> >> Both in Kieran's piece and in the other feedback from various
>>> >> conversations and comments, there's a clear current of both
>>> >> staff/management accountability and ICANN entities/organisations
>>> >> accountability as needing work.
>>> >>
>>> >> Now, I agree with that - I think the openness of this ICANN system is very
>>> >> poor, due to many things - the ridiculous time demands it makes on people
>>> >> to understand how it works (something none of our proposals materially
>>> >> complicates), the density and extent of the information, the rushed pace
>>> >> of many discussions, the ICANN way of doing multiple things at once, etc
>>> >> etc.
>>> >>
>>> >> I also think the culture across the organisation is relatively inwardly
>>> >> focused... and that the Board has a job to do in building a culture and
>>> >> practice of accountability and community engagement in parts of the staff.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> But those are the views of an insider/outsider: someone whose job links
>>> >> him to this ICANN system, but who has only (!) attended six meetings of
>>> >> ICANN. Others of you will have different perspectives.
>>> >>
>>> >> To the crux of my point: while I would really like us to tackle all the
>>> >> above, we face an imperative to not hold up the transition. I think we
>>> >> have been clear about that from the beginning, which was delayed from when
>>> >> it should have happened due to some of the factors I note above.
>>> >>
>>> >> So: my interpretation has always been as follows:
>>> >>
>>> >> Making ICANN's operations more generally accountable, and the whole
>>> >> organisation more outward looking and open, is very important - but our
>>> >> job in WorkStream 1 has been to put in place the structural features of a
>>> >> new accountability settlement that will give us the chance to achieve that
>>> >> in WorkStream 2.
>>> >>
>>> >> To put it another way: we have to constrain ourselves to building the
>>> >> levers in this WS1 process that will allow the broader changes to approach
>>> >> that are needed and will be on the table in WS2, and then the first of the
>>> >> new ATRT reviews.
>>> >>
>>> >> Do you share this understanding of why we have limited our focus?
>>> >>
>>> >> Interested in people's thoughts on this. Want to know if I am out on a
>>> >> limb!
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> thanks
>>> >> Jordan
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> [1]:
>>> >> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/06/18/us_government_stages_another_iana_intervention/ <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.theregister.co.uk_2015_06_18_us-5Fgovernment-5Fstages-5Fanother-5Fiana-5Fintervention_&d=AwMF_g&c=MOptNlVtIETeDALC_lULrw&r=62cJFOifzm6X_GRlaq8Mo8TjDmrxdYahOP8WDDkMr4k&m=lYaanM0LtSkNzSSPuIrVvnPTHZ729G7_pp66_aXJ1Ik&s=2bk70Iq5_dRKLoZt9BmoYY_NBZtKtMdyJE6s0--YbHA&e=>
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Jordan Carter
>>> >>
>>> >> Chief Executive
>>> >> InternetNZ
>>> >>
>>> >> 04 495 2118 (office) | +64 21 442 649 (mob)
>>> >> jordan at internetnz.net.nz <mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz>
>>> >> Skype: jordancarter
>>> >>
>>> >> A better world through a better Internet
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>>> --
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