[CCWG-ACCT] Other forms of Accountability?

[Seun Ojedeji]

Hi,

While I agree on the monopolistic analysis, I will just like to note that
ICANN is not the only organisation in such situation; RIRs for instance is
another example and they are ran by board.
I think it will be dangerous OR at least not advisable to subject staff to
direct accountability to the community. The best that could be done is to
get the board to do it's job and I think the ultimate ability to remove a
board member would be enough incentive for any board to deliver on it's
mandate.

Regards
sent from Google nexus 4
kindly excuse brevity and typos.
On 3 Mar 2015 05:30, "Jeff Neuman" <jeff.neuman at comlaude.com> wrote:

>  In a non-monopolistic environment, I would completely agree that a
> corporation’s board (whether for profit or not for profit) would adequately
> address the situation, since customers (in the case of for-profit) or
> members (in the case of non-profit) would either cease purchasing the
> company’s products/services or cancel membership in a non-profit
> organization (as examples).  For example, if I am not happy with a company
> that has proven it cannot keep my information confidential, I can simply
> take my shopping elsewhere.  If I am not happy with a non-profit because it
> is not serving my needs, I can go to other non-profits (or even form my
> own).
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> But here, in the monopolistic environment where contracted parties have no
> choice but to deal with ICANN, leaving these types of issues to the Board
> without other meaningful redress is not enough accountability.  After all,
> it is not as if the contracted parties could go elsewhere if dissatisfied
> with the operations of ICANN (or in this case the lack of security measures
> to protect information).  Thus, we have a true accountability problem.
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> To summarize, in a monopolistic environment where demand for services are
> inelastic, relying on a board to hold staff accountable for these types of
> failures in my opinion is not enough.  Without the potential for losing
> customers or community participation because of such failures, there is
> little incentive for the board to act.
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> These are just my personal opinions.
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> *From:* Jordan Carter [mailto:jordan at internetnz.net.nz]
> *Sent:* Monday, March 2, 2015 8:33 PM
> *To:* Jeff Neuman
> *Cc:* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> *Subject:* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Other forms of Accountability?
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> Thanks Jeff for sharing this. I think the practical work going on in the
> Working Parties is dealing with many broader items than just the ICANN
> Board.
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> Your example posits an interesting question: is "accountability" focused
> on the governance level, or on operations?
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> That is, is a staff level execution failure something the community or
> customers has accountability tools to deal with, beyond ensuring the Board
> holds CE to account?
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> One way of looking at this example is that it's up to the Board to hold
> its Chief Executive responsible for delivering secure services and that
> that's where it lies. If the Board fails to do so, some of the mechanisms
> under debate would help deal with that. Review and redress options would
> also provide some relief to those damaged.
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> Thoughts?
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> Jordan
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> On 3 March 2015 at 07:01, Jeff Neuman <jeff.neuman at comlaude.com> wrote:
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>  Removing Board Directors, while taking up most of the discussion for the
> last few weeks does not address most of the accountability issues we have
> with ICANN.
>
> Not sure if you saw this article:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/03/02/icann_suffers_another_security_breach/
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> Which accountability measures do we have to safeguard us from this?
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> Thanks.
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