[CCWG-ACCT] Meeting with CCWG Advisors

[Kavouss Arasteh]

 thanks to all
I do nit believe that for every community we need to define modifier.
I am not in favour of copying and definition from any community
We should deal with each subject based on its merits snd in a case by case basis
Kavouss
   

Sent from my iPhone

> On 22 Mar 2015, at 21:52, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In ICANN, we do have modifiers before Consensus.  And varying definitions depending on which of the SOAC or processes we are talking about.
> 
> In GNSO PDP processes we talk about Full Consensus versus Consensus and that definiton of Consensus is not all that diffferent from the IETF defintion of rough consensus; though we often use polls instead of humming to help figure out how to continue the discussion toward     consensus.
> 
> The GNSO definition is different from the GAC deffintion which I wont presume to define.
> 
> And in defining ICANN Consensus Policy, we have yet another definition  which often depends on voting thresholds.
> 
> Personally I find it hard to talk about Consensus in ICANN without using modifiers of some sort.  
> 
> As for an ICG definition of Consensus, that is beyond my pay grade to try and fathom.
> 
> avri
> 
>> On 22-Mar-15 20:57, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>> Dear All,
>>  Some  relevant questions and good reply.
>> I strongly oppose any adjustive before consensus  whether it is " rough " or " Soft"  or any thing else.
>> We are CCWG and not IETF.
>> In ICG that term even though proposed was abandonnned
>> Pls kindly do not interpret  " CONSENSUS"
>> Regards
>> Kavouss
>> 
>> 2015-03-22 19:18 GMT+01:00 Rahul Sharma <wisdom.stoic at gmail.com>:
>>> Hi Arun,
>>> 
>>> Just thinking aloud on the substance pointer raised - can multistakholder model be evolved in a manner that ensures proportional representation in communities, forums, structures and Board. When I say proportional, I mean proportional to Internet population of the country.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Rahul Sharma
>>> 
>>> On 22 March 2015 at 15:04, Arun Sukumar <arun.sukumar at nludelhi.ac.in> wrote:
>>>> Valerie D'Costa, an advisor to the CCWG, raised a couple of interesting and important questions on process and substance. I hope this is a faithful reproduction. 
>>>> 
>>>> On process:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. What should be the role of advisors? Should they offer advice on the basis of unanimity or "rough consensus", or just provide input independently? 
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Should advisors restrict their role to responding to questions that have been flagged by the CCWG and routed through the chairs? Or should they/ can they flag issues they feel are important - weighed from their expertise. 
>>>> 
>>>> On substance:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. How is the accountability process taking stock of the evolving "global internet community", given that it is going to be driven by numbers from the  developing world? 
>>>> 
>>>> 2. Taking off from Q1, is the CCWG evaluating the future capacity of ICANN to be truly representative in the years to come?
>>>> 
>>>> arun
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> -
>>>> @arunmsukumar
>>>> Senior Fellow, Centre for Communication Governance
>>>> National Law University, New Delhi
>>>> Ph: +91-9871943272
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
>>>> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
>>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
>>> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
>>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
>> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
>> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
> 
> 
> 
>   			 			
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. 
> www.avast.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Accountability-Cross-Community mailing list
> Accountability-Cross-Community at icann.org
> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/accountability-cross-community
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/attachments/20150323/761a2ace/attachment.html>