[CCWG-ACCT] [ccTLDcommunity] Cross Community Working Group on Enhancing ICANN Accountability (CCWG-Accountability) - Input Needed on its Proposed Accountability Enhancements (Work Stream 1)

Wed May 6 16:04:25 UTC 2015

Dear all,

My deep and unreserved support for Roelf´s words!
The atmosphere and tone in the thread is most uncomfortable, destructive 
and worrying.

Sincerly,

Pär Brumark

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Roelof Meijer skrev den 2015-05-06 17:37:
> Dear ccTLD colleagues,
>
> It is with reluctance that I react to this thread, but I feel obliged to
> do so.
> Reluctance, because I prefer to ignore Eberhard Lisse when he sends out
> one of his quite characteristic emails.
> Obliged, however, because as his advice to you on how to deal with the
> request for community feed-back on the CCWG-Accountability Work Stream 1
> proposals published on 4 May, he "strongly urge[s] all ccTLD Managers to
> strongly oppose this rubbish².
>
> I consider that to be very poor, even irresponsible, advice, and urge you
> to read the report and give your feed-back. If you don¹t agree; let us
> know, if you have suggestions for improvements; tell us. But above all:
> give us guidance with your opinion on the specific issues that we ask your
> feed-back on in the report.
>
> The Enhancement of ICANN¹s Accountability is an inseparable part of the
> IANA Stewardship Transition, a conditio sine qua non. The successful
> transition of the IANA Stewardship is a necessity for the global, single
> internet to develop to it¹s maximum potential.
> However, we will not have a second chance any time soon and thus we cannot
> afford to fail. The final proposals to enhance ICANN¹s accountability and
> to transition to IANA Stewardship are the ultimate test of the
> multi-stakeholder model and failure would, in the end, mean the end of
> that model.
>
> So you cannot even afford to ignore the CCWG draft proposals, or any other
> proposal in this process. Unless maybe if you want to get rid of the
> multi-stakeholder model...
>
> Like Eberhard Lisse, I am one of the ccTLD Community¹s participants in the
> CCWG. Very unlike Eberhard Lisse, I am proud of what the CCWG published on
> 4 May. It is certainly not perfect, it surely is not complete and it is
> definitely not final. The timeline, the enormous amount of work, the
> unknown territories we had to explore and insights and opinions we had to
> unite, made the process quite painful at times.
> But the result -and in the end that is what really counts- is good. To be
> honest: far better then I expected.
> And quite solid enough to ask your feed-back on. So it can be improved.
>
> Our three co-chairs Mathieu Weill, Thomas Rickert and León Felipe
> Sánchez-Ambia deserve no criticism, but our deep respect. For their
> leadership and guidance, for the substance they brought and also for the
> way they acted on feed-back from the group or individual
> members/participants.
> They were -and are- real assets in this process. Eberhard Lisse, in my
> opinion, is not.
>
> Best regards,
>   
> Roelof A. Meijer
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>
>
> On 06-05-15 07:44, "Mathieu Weill" <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr> wrote:
>
>> Dear Byron, Dear Colleagues,
>>
>> To set the record straight, Dr Lisse's statements about the violation of
>> the CCWG Accountability Charter and the dynamics of the group are a
>> misrepresentation of facts. Speaking of facts, we are more than happy to
>> provide details in response to the accusations as well as explanations
>> we gave to Dr Lisse on the public mailing list, to support our statement.
>>
>> We would also note for the benefit of readers of these lists that Dr
>> Lisse has filed countless objections against almost everything the CCWG
>> did since it started. Participants and members of the CCWG have
>> expressed to the co-chairs that they consider Dr Lisse's behaviour as an
>> attempt to discredit the work of fellow volunteers and derail the work
>> of the group.
>>
>> We will not burden everyone on the lists that were cc-ed with details,
>> especially when we have the opportunity to discuss and engage on
>> substance. But we wanted to set this record straight, and express our
>> deep sadness about the use of such a process within the ccTLD community.
>>
>> That being said, we encourage other ccTLD members and participants in
>> the CCWG to express their views related to the substance of the proposals.
>>
>> Best,
>> Thomas Rickert and Mathieu Weill, co-chairs
>>
>> Le 05/05/2015 11:36, Dr Eberhard Lisse a écrit :
>>> [sorry for the double post, technical issue]
>>> Dear Byron,
>>>
>>> as tmember appointed by the (chartering) ccNSO to the CCWG
>>> Accountability I have followed the Charter, in particular in raising
>>> my concerns of my points consistently being ignored and rejected by
>>> the Co-Chairs of this CCWG, one of whom is Mathieu Weill, the
>>> posting of whom, herein-under, I wish to address, "through the
>>> chair".
>>>
>>> Please assure that staff forwards this to all Council Members who do
>>> not have access to the above lists.
>>>
>>>
>>> These "current proposals" have been arrived at in violation of the
>>> Charter, without the necessary Consensus Call for all positions, and
>>> in violation of the Charter by refusing the opportunity to attach
>>> minority views.
>>>
>>> They also have been rushed over the objection of myself in which I
>>> have been joined in various degrees, shape or form by appointed
>>> members of every constituency chartering, even several GAC members
>>> expressing themselves in this regard.
>>>
>>> This was done in order to get "something" passed prior to a non
>>> existing deadline instead of doing this carefully, thoroughly and
>>> inclusively.
>>>
>>> As usual the gNSO members and in particular un-appointed
>>> participants representing large interests were/are the driving force
>>> behind this rush-job.
>>>
>>> The document is so convoluted that an expensive graphics company was
>>> hired for several months to generate these professional graphics in
>>> order to just be able to understand the document.
>>>
>>> Even Mathieu doesn't understand it, because he not only refers to it
>>> as a "report" which under the Charter REQUIRES a Consensus Call and
>>> attachment of minority views, if any, and he alleges that it has any
>>> relevance to ccTLDs, which is has not.
>>>
>>> The community he refers to is ill defined, and in any case the ccNSO
>>> has no mandate whatsoever to act on decisions, acts or omissions
>>> affecting individual ccTLDs.
>>>
>>> According to the Charter the CCWG must address ALL accountability
>>> issues with the exception of administrative and operational IANA
>>> issues, which were to have been addressed by CWG Stewardship, where
>>> they were not being addressed, of course.
>>>
>>> This was used to refuse and/or ignore any request that had anything
>>> to do with the root zone and/or the IANA Function, in particular the
>>> fundamental issues, which remain unresolved.
>>>
>>> I will post something like this into the Comment Box for the record,
>>> but I strongly urge all ccTLD Managers to strongly oppose this
>>> rubbish.
>>>
>>>
>>> Finally, I am personally offended by him thanking the ccTLD members
>>> and characterizing their participation, in particular since hardly
>>> any input by ccTLD members/participants had any effect on ccTLD
>>> Managers' positions, and because he does not mean it.
>>>
>>> For me it is not a pleasure to work in this CCWG and in particular
>>> not an honor to work with him and any other of the other Co-Chairs.
>>>
>>>
>>> el
>>>
>>> On 2015-05-05 07:53, Mathieu Weill wrote:
>>>> Thank you Gabi for sharing this announcement.
>>>>
>>>> In addition to the public comment announcement
>>>>
>>>> (https://www.icann.org/public-comments/ccwg-accountability-draft-proposa
>>>> l-2015-05-04-en)
>>>> the CCWG-Accountability produced some graphics describing the current
>>>> proposals (PDF,
>>>>
>>>> https://community.icann.org/download/attachments/52897394/XPL_CCWG_Illus
>>>> tratedConcepts_v2.pdf?version=1&modificationDate=1430799940397&api=v2)
>>>> , which you might find helpful, although of course nothing replaces
>>>> reading the actual report.
>>>>
>>>> While this report is not focused on IANA, it is very relevant to ccTLDs
>>>> : it addresses the accountability enhancements requested by the CWG
>>>> Iana
>>>> stewardship transition latest proposal, proposes additional powers for
>>>> the community, including the ccNSO, and strongly reinforces Icannn's
>>>> appeal mechanisms.
>>>>
>>>> For more details, the CCWG-Accountability will hold two identical
>>>> webinars at different times to facilitate participation across time
>>>> zones. The webinars will take place on:
>>>>
>>>>       11 May from 11:00  12:30 UTC
>>>>       11 May from 19:00  20:30 UTC
>>>>
>>>> Details can be found here :
>>>> https://www.icann.org/news/announcement-2-2015-05-04-en
>>>>
>>>> I seize this opportunity to thank all ccTLD members and participants to
>>>> this group. They have done a tremendous job, demonstrating the value of
>>>> ccTLD inputs to the overall community. As co-chair, it is a great
>>>> pleasure and an honour to work with such a team.
>>>>
>>>> We are now more than ever in listening mode and look forward to your
>>>> questions and feedbacks.
>>>>
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Mathieu
>>> [...]
>>>
>> -- 
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>> mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
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