[CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location

[Kieren McCarthy]

Sounds like a work stream 5 issue to me.


Kieren

On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Again, I would like the community and the Ombudsman to make note of that
> Direct and viscious insult calling me Mr. "Baloney". The name-calling on
> this mailing list appears to be part of the ccwg culture, sadly. I can
> understand why people would be hesitant to submit new ideas or comments to
> this email list, but insults should not deter the good work being
> accomplished by ccwg-accountability.
>
> "I, probably like quite a few others on this list, fail to see the link
> between your message below and the subject of this thread (“Meeting
> location”).
>
> The message reference the Ombudsman's comment about polite discourse, not
> sure how you missed that part of the email, regardless of the "subject" of
> the email, most people respond to the "contents" of an email.
>
> "During our last CCWG call, I commented on the number of emails we all
> have to deal with and the fact that practically in every mail thread of
> this group, there’s growing divergence between the title of the thread and
> the content of submissions of some as the discussion proceeds."
>
> Again, the subject of an email is less relevant than the contents of an
> email.
>
> "A factor that makes it very difficult for the reader to just read those
> emails that are worth the time."
>
> We all have a certain level of dedication to the imoortant work of
> ccwg-accountability. If you can't read all the emails, may I suggest
> receiving the "digest" of emails? Not sure how to solve your issue of not
> being to read each and every email in full. There are classes on
> time-management, but that is your call, obviously.
>
> "I would greatly appreciate it if you would stick to the good practice of
> ensuring that the content of your message is aligned with subject specified
> in the header."
>
> That is not a "practice" good or bad, that I have ever heard of so my
> answer is no unless you can provide a source proving the existence of such
> a practice, thanks.
>
> Ron
>
> ------------------------------
> * From: * Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>;
> * To: * Ron Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>;
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
> * Subject: * Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
> * Sent: * Fri, Oct 16, 2015 7:46:00 AM
>
> Dear mr. Baloney,
>
> I, probably like quite a few others on this list, fail to see the link
> between your message below and the subject of this thread (“Meeting
> location”).
> During our last CCWG call, I commented on the number of emails we all have
> to deal with and the fact that practically in every mail thread of this
> group, there’s growing divergence between the title of the thread and the
> content of submissions of some as the discussion proceeds.
> A factor that makes it very difficult for the reader to just read those
> emails that are worth the time.
>
> I would greatly appreciate it if you would stick to the good practice of
> ensuring that the content of your message is aligned with subject specified
> in the header.
>
> Best,
>
> Roelof Meijer
>
> From: <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of Ron
> Baione <ron.baione at yahoo.com>
> Date: vrijdag 16 oktober 2015 01:45
> To: Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>, "
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
>
> It's not a policy on polite discourse if it is not enforced, especially
> when someone can be directly, publicly insulted without any fear of the
> Ombusdmans ability to enforce that policy. It is clear that after being
> publicly referred to impolitely and unfairly objectified as a "troll", an
> "it", "a silicone based lifeform", labeled as "hostile", and told to "give
> it a rest" simply for trying to participate and share new ideas, there is
> no actual ability for the Ombudsman to enforce the policy being referred
> to.
>
> The very fact that the Ombusdman already sent a note previously asking
> members of this list to follow the policy on polite discourse, prior to my
> being assigned as a participant to CCWG-Accountability, shows me that there
> has long needed to be some sort of special review of the comments made by
> members of this mailing list to see if there is a atmosphere of disrespect
> that for some reason has evolved over a lengthy period of time. After such
> a review of the distractions, the real work of completing the ICANN
> transition process will be more successful in my opinion. Can the Ombudsman
> comment on this proposal and/or perform such a review?
>
> Ron
>
> ------------------------------
> *From: *Grace Abuhamad <grace.abuhamad at icann.org>;
> *To: *Accountability Cross Community <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>;
> *Subject: *[CCWG-ACCT] Meeting location
> *Sent: *Thu, Oct 15, 2015 10:58:48 PM
>
> Dear all,
>
> For those who are attending in person, the CCWG meeting will take place in *Liffey
> Hall on the 1st floor *on the convention center. I sent information about
> the shuttles to/from the hotel in a prior email
> <http://mm.icann.org/pipermail/accountability-cross-community/2015-October/006773.html>
> .
>
> For those attending remotely, please join us via the virtual meeting room
> at: https://icann.adobeconnect.com/dub54-liffeyhall2/
>
> As a reminder, all ICANN meetings (including the chat rooms and mailing
> lists) follow ICANN’s Expected Standards of Behavior. For reference these
> are located here:
> https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/expected-standards-2012-05-15-en.
> In the words of the ICANN Ombudsman from a note he sent to this list on 22
> June: "May I implore participants to continue to note the ICANN policy on
> polite discourse. It is important to have a strong and vigorous debate but
> we don't need to make personal attacks on each other. A polite note of
> disagreement should be sufficient, and has been frequently used. But if we
> start to attack individuals on list, this will distract us from the real
> tasks.”
>
> Looking forward to seeing you in 8 hours,
> Grace
>
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