[CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment
James Gannon
james at cyberinvasion.net
Mon Sep 28 17:01:12 UTC 2015
I would prefer not to throw away the multistakeholder process in the name of the transition. I don’t know if I’m alone in that view but its certainly one I hold.
-James
On 28/09/2015 17:47, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of Kavouss Arasteh" <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org on behalf of kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com> wrote:
>Avri
>You may agree that the Board submitted the results if its 17 years if implementation practices and experience whereas each of us have just expressed our individual experience .
>Let us not argue that but just agree that what the Board suggested stemmed from facts and figures in a more general than other facts and figures submitted by individuals convoluted and amalgamated in what CCWG suggested
>Kavouss
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 18:31, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I disagree with the notion that the Board presents fact and the rest of
>> the Community presents theory. Many in the other parts of this
>> community have been involved in the ICANN bottom-up multistakeholder
>> process for as long as the Board members. Some even longer with a
>> greater degree of experience. And though our view is not the view from
>> the privilege of Board perspective, it is probably just as validly
>> based on that which is the case.
>>
>> The Board's views are important, and based on their ability to affect
>> the results of the community's work have a special role in our
>> considerations. But please lets not elevate their position to the one
>> truth we must all recognize.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>> On 28-Sep-15 11:38, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
>>> Dear Ed
>>> I always respect your views but this time with a little bit if reluctance.
>>> Board, s views contain a great degree of valuable importance as it
>>> speaks for implementation of the idea whereas we purely were thinking
>>> and discussing of almost theory.
>>> Regards
>>> Kavouss
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 15:26, avri doria <avri at ella.com
>>> <mailto:avri at ella.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Or we may have to realize that the Board's fear of the community and
>>>> the FUD about what we might do, is so great that they will never be
>>>> able to accept a membership model. The historical and continuing
>>>> aversion of ICANN's Board and legal advisers to the notion of
>>>> allowing the community to have any kind of membership may just be
>>>> part of its nature and something they are incapable of 'blinking'
>>>> about. It may be the threshold ceiling this experiment in bottom up
>>>> multistakeholder process can never move beyond. ICANN may, by its
>>>> very nature and history, never be able to become fully what it
>>>> aspires to be recognized as.
>>>>
>>>> It then may be up to the community to decide to take whatever crumbs
>>>> of accountability we can get. One thing I am certain of, one way or
>>>> another, ICANN will come out of this process changed. It will either
>>>> continue to lead in developing a true multistakeholder model. Or it
>>>> may just settle into a slow decline as another organization that
>>>> never lived up to its promise.
>>>>
>>>> avri
>>>>
>>>> Sent from a T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------- Original message --------
>>>> From: Dr Eberhard W Lisse <epilisse at gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:epilisse at gmail.com>>
>>>> Date:09/28/2015 8:15 AM (GMT-05:00)
>>>> To: CCWG Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
>>>> Cc: Lisse Eberhard <directors at omadhina.NET
>>>> <mailto:directors at omadhina.NET>>
>>>> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Summary of current Board sentiment
>>>>
>>>> Ed,
>>>>
>>>> of course we must give special attention to the Board. Stare them in
>>>> the face until they blink :-)-O
>>>>
>>>> el
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini
>>>>
>>>> On 28 Sep 2015, at 06:27, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
>>>> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Kavouss,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I personally attach a very hight level of support to the Board,s
>>>>> comments which stem from 17 years of valuable experience. While I
>>>>> support and appreciate public comments but we should give special
>>>>> attention to the valuable comments from the Board and should not put
>>>>> those comments in the sane basket of any other comment received
>>>>> from individual .
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I respectfully disagree with this sentiment. I give no greater
>>>>> weight to the comments of a member of the Board than I do to a
>>>>> comment from the least privileged amongst us. I give power to the
>>>>> idea, not to the person or the organisation making it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ed
>>>>>
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