[CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Mon Feb 22 11:41:18 UTC 2016


Dear Jorge,
You are right
The carve out applies to all cases either in application of IRP or in the
absence of IRP
For the first Board's agreed with reduced threshold from 4 to 3 for Board's
Spill
For the second the Board wishes that the 4 SO/AC threshold applies .
Some people in the community like me fully supportting the Board's views.
Some others are against
This is one of the issue that must be resolved tomorrow
Regards
Kavouss

2016-02-22 12:25 GMT+01:00 <Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch>:

> Dear all
>
>
>
> From this email by Milton it seems that some (as Milton) are understanding
> that the carve-out only would apply if the Board decision to implement GAC
> Advice is found (by the IRP I guess) to be inconsistent with the Bylaws.
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>
>
> I have been away for one week, but I feel that the carve-out was meant to
> apply *generally* to situations where there is Board implementation of
> GAC Advice...
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>
> Could someone kindly clarify the status?
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>
> Best regards
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>
>
> Jorge
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>
>
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
> accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] Im Auftrag von Mueller,
> Milton L
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 21. Februar 2016 23:34
> An: Steve Crocker <steve.crocker at icann.org>; Accountability Community <
> accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Cc: Icann-board ICANN <icann-board at icann.org>
> Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] The GAC made me do it
>
>
>
> Steve
>
> I think Andrew got the issue exactly right. I do not see how your answer
> even engages with his argument, which is that nearly all of the community
> has agreed that when board actions are challenged for being out of mission
> by following GAC advice, that the GAC should not be in a position to rule
> on that.
>
>
>
> Claiming that the GAC does not have "extraordinary power" does not answer
> Andrew's argument. Whether the GAC has extraordinary power or not, if it
> advises you (the board) to do something that the rest of the community
> thinks is outside of the bounds of the bylaws (which it has a demonstrated
> tendency to do) the GAC should not be a decisional member of the empowered
> community that decides whether we get to challenge that action.
>
>
>
> From that premise on, it is all arithmetic, as Andrew showed:
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> > > This is a choice entirely within the GAC's power.  It must choose.
>
> > > If it chooses to be board-advisor-GAC, then it is in effect choosing
>
> > > that it prefers that mode of operation to being part of the wider
>
> > > Empowered Community mechanism.  In effect, a GAC choice can reduce
>
> > > the possible actors in the Empowered Community to four.  Otherwise,
>
> > > the GAC is in a position to insist on advice it gave being
>
> > > considered first by the board, and then that the GAC can also
>
> > > participate in the judgement of the Board's actions.  That's the
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> > > very "two bites" problem that we were trying to solve.  I believe
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> > > that in most organizations (including many governments), it would be
>
> > > regarded as surprising that a participant in the to-be-judged action
> also gets to be one of the judges.
>
>
>
> You have not refuted this, as I said before you have not even engaged with
> this.
>
> This increases my suspicion that the board's position is based on a
> political calculus, not on good governance or accountability criteria.
>
>
>
> Further, it is clear from the reaction you have gotten that the board is
> not proposing a "friendly amendment." In these rules of procedure, a
> friendly amendment has to be accepted by the group that proposed it, and
> clearly it is not.
>
>
>
> I am deeply disturbed by the board upsetting a consensual compromise, and
> a very difficult one, for the third time in this process. I wonder if you
> have any appreciation of the potential costs of this, particularly when it
> involves an issue as sensitive as the role of national governments in
> ICANN.
>
>
>
> Dr. Milton L. Mueller
>
> Professor, School of Public Policy
>
> Georgia Institute of Technology
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