[CCWG-ACCT] Poll results
Nigel Roberts
nigel at channelisles.net
Tue Feb 23 16:01:50 UTC 2016
Well, we only elect two Board Members. The GAC doesn't elect any (I am
not counting non-voting liaisons). Half of the Board is not elected at all.
On 23/02/16 15:35, Kavouss Arasteh wrote:
> Dear All,
>
> Dear All,
>
> I do not know what we are talking about
>
> If the process is inclusive, button -up and democratic, we should not
> create artificial obstacle for that.
>
> Apart from participants, I saw some observers polling also but I did not
> raise any point.
>
> I fully respect their contribution even if they opposing to me.
>
> We have had a hard discussion during the last 72 hours. We are somewhere
> let us not break every thing
>
> Pls kindly refrain from criticizing the Board’s members participating in
> the process. We have elected them until they are there their views
> should be respected. PLS BE MORE REALISTIC. when I raise a point of
> procedure about two weeks ago one of our colleagues wrote that “We are
> not in the Parliamentary process “I agreed to that statement.
>
> We now have something that hopefully many and perhaps all chartering
> organization would support
>
> Best Regard
>
> Happy Tuesday
>
> Kavouss
>
> 2016-02-23 15:54 GMT+01:00 Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net
> <mailto:egmorris1 at toast.net>>:
>
> +1
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From*: "Salaets, Ken" <ksalaets at itic.org <mailto:ksalaets at itic.org>>
> *Sent*: Tuesday, February 23, 2016 2:52 PM
> *To*: "Roelof Meijer" <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl
> <mailto:Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>>
> *Cc*: "accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>"
> <accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>>
> *Subject*: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Poll results
> Roelof et al., if there wasn't consensus for including the second
> 'exception,' then where did it come from and why was it included in
> the 19 Feb. draft? This is what's perplexing.
>
> Second, the co-chairs and CCWG process clearly aren't following
> anything close to the classic sense of the term 'consensus,' but
> frankly, it is nigh impossible to determine what metric is being
> followed. Indeed, one could easily get the impression we are
> embracing a floating definition, so to speak, the metric for which
> is convenience rather than consistency. Hence, it sets the table for
> confusion and second-guessing, both of which are bait for those
> inclined to question this entire endeavor.
>
> I agree with the expressions of frustration voiced here, i.e., that
> process violations are allowed on a frequent basis and then
> unevenly, with some voices deemed 'louder' than others. I am not
> arguing for or against the merits of this particular latest debate,
> mind you, but when the process being employed comes across as
> 'winging it' - or worse - it raises inevitable questions regarding
> the overall integrity of this important exercise.
>
> I greatly admire the endurance of everyone involved, including and
> especially the co-chairs. I would only urge you, however, to
> absolutely ensure that every participant and organization engaged in
> this activity is held to the same standard. Doing anything less will
> make the outcome all the more difficult to justify and defend here
> in Washington.
>
> Happy Tuesday.
>
> Ken
>
> > On Feb 23, 2016, at 8:50 AM, Roelof Meijer <Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl <mailto:Roelof.Meijer at sidn.nl>> wrote:
> >
> > Where it leaves us, I think is clear. We just follow our common practice:
> > if we have no (rough) consensus on inserting a particular clause or
> > solution in our proposal, we do not put it in. Item (2) was inserted a few
> > weeks ago, we do not have anything close to rough consensus to support
> > that. So it should be taken out.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Roelof
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 23-02-16 12:39, "accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on
> > behalf of Dr Eberhard W Lisse"
> > <accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org> on behalf of
> >el at lisse.na <mailto:el at lisse.na>> wrote:
> >
> >> Grace,
> >>
> >> thank you.
> >>
> >> Dear Co-Chairs,
> >>
> >> As mentioned in the chat I had to leave after one hour (of which 22
> >> were taken by a summary, for which I expected an Executive Summary of
> >> 2 minutes or less, by the way) as I have to work for a living.
> >>
> >> Just for the record, sending it to the SOs is not the same as
> >> supporting it, hence your careful language reflects my proxy with the
> >> exception of Poll 4 where he only polled as participant but should
> >> have also polled my member proxy in favor of submitting as is.
> >>
> >> That said, it is disturbing that 11 Board members and even staff
> >> participated in the poll.
> >>
> >> Never mind the expected outcome from the ACs.
> >>
> >> It is however clear that we do NOT have Consensus as required by our
> >> Charter.
> >>
> >> So, where does this leave us?
> >>
> >> el
> >>
> >>
> >>> On 2016-02-23 12:26, Grace Abuhamad wrote:
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> To ensure full transparency around the polling, the staff have
> >>> reviewed the recording for the call and crosschecked the results.
> >>> The Adobe Connect recording is available here for your viewing as
> >>> well:https://icann.adobeconnect.com/p2ner13u4kd/.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Please note that the instructions regarding participation in the polls
> >>> were as follows:
> >>>
> >>> · Anyone on the call was invited to participate in the poll
> >>> (members & participants).
> >>>
> >>> · To participate, participants in the Adobe Connect room used
> >>> either a red or green tick to respond to the poll question.
> >>>
> >>> · Those on audio-only could express their position over the phone.
> >>>
> >>> · After the polls, analysis would be conducted to assess
> >>> participation from CCWG members (for the purposes of these results, the
> >>> members¹ names are in bold font).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Chairs conducted four polls in a group that varied between 85-90
> >>> participants. The text used as the basis for the polls is Paragraph
> >>> 72 of the CCWG report (see attached slide for the text as well as
> >>> the 2^nd bullet highlighted in red). The first two poll questions
> >>> were based on objections and the second two poll questions were
> >>> based on expressions of support.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Summary of results: *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> · 11 objections to removing the 2^nd bullet in Paragraph 72 (in red
> >>> on the slide)
> >>>
> >>> o (2 CCWG member objections)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> · 27 objections to sending the report forward as it is currently,
> >>> with the full text in Paragraph 72
> >>>
> >>> o (8 CCWG member objections, including all ALAC members)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> · 36 support removing the language in the 2^nd bullet in Paragraph
> >>> 72 (in red on the slide)
> >>>
> >>> o (10 CCWG members supporting)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> · 14 support sending the report forward as it is currently, with
> >>> the full text in Paragraph 72
> >>>
> >>> o (2 CCWG members supporting)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Detailed results: *
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Poll #1* Who objects to removing the 2^nd bullet in Paragraph 72 (in
> >>> red on the slide), (³If the IRP is not available to challenge the Board
> >>> action in question²)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1. Brett Schaefer (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 2. Edward Morris (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 3. Farzaneh Badii (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 4. James Gannon (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 5. Malcolm Hutty (ISPCP Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 6. Milton Mueller (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 7. Paul Rosenzweig (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 8. *Robin Gross*(NCSG Member)
> >>>
> >>> 9. Stephen Deerhake (ccNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 10.Tatiana Tropina (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 11.*Eberhard Lisse*(ccNSO Member)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Poll #2* Who objects to sending the report forward (to Chartering
> >>> Organizations) as it is currently, (i.e. the 19 February version with
> >>> the full text in Paragraph 72)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1. *Alan Greenberg*(ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 2. Asha Hemrajani (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 3. Cherine Chalaby (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 4. *Cheryl Langdon-Orr*(ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 5. Chris Disspain (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 6. David McAuley (GNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 7. Fadi Chehade (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 8. George Sadowsky (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 9. Jorge Cancio (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 10.*Julia Wolman*(GAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 11.Keith Drazek (RySG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 12.*Leon Sanchez*(ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 13.Lito Ibarra (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 14.Louisewies Van del Laan (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 15.Markus Kummer (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 16.*Olga Cavalli*(GAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 17.Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 18.Pedro da Silva (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 19.Rafael Perez Galindo (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 20.Rinalia Abdul Rahim (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 21.*Roelof Meijer*(ccNSO Member)
> >>>
> >>> 22.Ron da Silva (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 23.Samantha Eisner (ICANN Staff Liaison)
> >>>
> >>> 24.Seun Ojedeji (ALAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 25.Steve Crocker (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 26.*Sebastien Bachollet*(ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 27.Stephen Deerhake (ccNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 28.Tarek Kamel (ICANN Staff Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 29.*Tijani Ben Jemaa*(ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Poll #3* Who supports removing the language in the 2^nd bullet in
> >>> Paragraph 72 (in red on the slide), (³If the IRP is not available to
> >>> challenge the Board action in question²)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1. *Alan**Greenberg* (ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 2. Annaliese Williams (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 3. Asha Hemrajani (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 4. Avri Doria (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 5. Cherine Chalaby (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 6. *Cheryl Langdon-Orr*(ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 7. Chris Disspain (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 8. David McAuley (GNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 9. Fadi Chehade (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 10.Finn Petersen (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 11.George Sadowsky (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 12.Greg Shatan (IPC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 13.*James Bladel*(RrSG Member)
> >>>
> >>> 14.*Julia**Wolman* (GAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 15.Kavouss Arasteh (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 16.Keith Drazek (RySG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 17.*Leon**Sanchez* (ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 18.Lito Ibarra (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 19.Louisewies Van del Laan (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 20.Mark Carvell (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 21.Markus Kummer (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 22.Mary Uduma (ccNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 23.Niels Ten Oever (Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 30.*Olga**Cavalli* (GAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 24.Olivier Crepin-Leblond (ALAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 25.Paul Szyndler (ccNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 26.Pedro da Silva (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 31.Rafael Perez Galindo (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 27.Rinalia Abdul Rahim (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 28.*Roelof**Meijer* (ccNSO Member)
> >>>
> >>> 29.Ron da Silva (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 30.Sabine Meyer (GAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 31.Seun Ojedeji (ALAC Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 32.Steve Crocker (ICANN Board Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 33.*Steve DelBianco*(CSG Member)
> >>>
> >>> 34.*Sebastien**Bachollet* (ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>> 35.Tarek Kamel (ICANN Staff)
> >>>
> >>> 36.*Tijani**Ben Jemaa* (ALAC Member)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> *Poll #4* Who supports sending the report to Chartering Organizations
> >>> as it is currently, (i.e. the 19 February version with the full text in
> >>> Paragraph 72)?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 1. Aarti Bhavana (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 2. Brett Schaefer (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 3. Edward Morris (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 4. Farzaneh Badii (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 5. James Gannon (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 6. *Jordan Carter*(ccNSO Member)
> >>>
> >>> 7. Martin Boyle (ccNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 8. Matthew Shears (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 9. Malcolm Hutty (ISPCP Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 10.Milton Mueller (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 11.Paul Rosenzweig (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 12.*Robin**Gross* (NCSG Member)
> >>>
> >>> 13.Stephen Deerhake (ccNSO Participant)
> >>>
> >>> 14.Tatiana Tropina (NCSG Participant)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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