[CCWG-ACCT] Confusion and my position

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Tue Feb 23 19:26:04 UTC 2016

Dear All, Those who were the origin of the case and did not vote now  that
" people were confused2

2016-02-23 18:27 GMT+01:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>:

> I've just done a "distribution analysis" (not as grand as it sounds) of
> the 4 polls, and I tend to disagree with Andrew's hardening theory (or at
> least, I don't agree completely).
> I've posted this in the thread where the poll results were announced.  You
> will see that 10 of the 11 participating structures had members who
> supported removing clause (2).  That seems like a coming together in this
> particular instance.
> Aside from the poll, I did see some unfortunate hardening of positions and
> hardening of divisions.  I would like to encourage the members and
> participants to support the final result of our work whatever it may be.
> I would also like to encourage the Members to reconsider submitting
> Minority Statements.  Unified support will speak volumes as this
> progresses.  There are parts of this final Proposal I am not happy with.
> There are battles that were fought and lost, and consensus-building
> compromises that make me queasy; I believe other members of my stakeholder
> structure (IPC) would tend to agree.  If I were so inclined (and if I were
> a Member or my structure had a Member able to speak for my structure alone)
> I could stand our ground (or lick our wounds) in a Minority Statement.
> Philosophically, that's not my style.  The corollary to "Nothing's agreed
> until everything's agreed" is "Once everything's agreed, everything's
> agreed."  We have to decide which battles to pick and which battles to win,
> and which exchanges of views to categorize as battles in the first place.
> In this case, I think the battles we need to win will be best fought with a
> unified front.
> Greg
> On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 11:33 AM, Andrew Sullivan <ajs at anvilwalrusden.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi
>> On Wed, Feb 24, 2016 at 05:28:49AM +1300, Jordan Carter wrote:
>> >
>> > I look forward to us moving on, getting this report out, getting CO
>> > agreement, and getting on with implementation.
>> I do too, but I confess I'm a little concerned in reading the poll
>> results.  To the extent I see a pattern, it is of hardening divisions
>> between people from different constituencies.  As I've said, I can
>> support whatever consensus emerges (though like Becky, I think the
>> arguments for one of these positions are quite clearly stronger than
>> for the other one); but at the moment, I have no idea what consensus
>> might emerge.  I really urge people to find a way at least not to
>> object to some stable outcome.
>> Best regards,
>> A
>> --
>> Andrew Sullivan
>> ajs at anvilwalrusden.com
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