[CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 4 - power to remove Individual Board director - 1st reading conclusions
Nigel Roberts
nigel at channelisles.net
Fri Jan 8 14:02:42 UTC 2016
Irrespective of nativespeakerness, WHY does the rule exist?
It appears to provide the Board a technical reason to invalidate a
removal if they can argue that the reasons stated are not comprehensive
enough (or even 'fulsome').
With respect, this is arrant nonsense and a rearguard action.
Simply setting out objective criteria for a removal is both sufficient
and desirable.
Such as "there must be a majority vote of those entitled to vote".
Or is anyone REALLY suggesting that a campaign to remove a Board
director could success in mustering the necessary level of support (on
whatever critierion is set) WITHOUT making the argument for it? Risible!
On 08/01/16 13:56, Mathieu Weill wrote:
> Distinguished colleagues,
>
> I am not a native English speaker, but reading this thread, I have the
> impression that “comprehensive and written rationale” might address the
> concern raised by Alan, while avoiding the (unexpressed) concern that
> the rationale would be an empty declaration, within which the “real”
> arguments would actually not be found ?
>
> Best,
>
> Mathieu
>
> *De :*accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
> [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] *De la part
> de* Greg Shatan
> *Envoyé :* jeudi 7 janvier 2016 22:26
> *À :* Steve Crocker
> *Cc :* accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> *Objet :* Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Recommendation 4 - power to remove Individual
> Board director - 1st reading conclusions
>
> Speaking of pedants, the late, great William Safire wrote about this
> (albeit not fulsomely) a few years ago:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/22/magazine/22wwln-safire-t.html?_r=0
>
> The "Grammarphobia Blog" has also weighed in:
> http://www.grammarphobia.com/blog/2014/11/fulsome.html
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2016 at 6:11 AM, Steve Crocker <steve at shinkuro.com
> <mailto:steve at shinkuro.com>> wrote:
>
> I'm merely a pedant-in-passing, so I'll offer this response but not
> engage further.
>
> I suspect you were taught as I was that "fulsome" was a strongly
> negative term despite its seemingly positive composition. Over the last
> few decades, its usage has shifted, and I now see it used in a positive
> sense. I think it's become genuinely ambiguous, like "biannual," and I
> avoid using it myself. But it's not a big deal because the intended
> meaning is usually clear from the context. For reference see
>
> http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/us/definition/american_english/fulsome
>
> Steve
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2016, at 4:08 AM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net
> <mailto:nigel at channelisles.net>> wrote:
>
> As pedant-in-residence, I object to the word 'fulsome' in any event.
>
> "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it
> means".
>
>
>
>
>
> complimentary or flattering to an excessive degree.
>
> "they are almost embarrassingly fulsome in their appreciation"
>
> synonyms: excessive, extravagant, overdone, immoderate,
> inordinate, over-appreciative, flattering, adulatory, fawning,
> unctuous, ingratiating, cloying, saccharine; enthusiastic,
> effusive, rapturous, glowing, gushing, profuse, generous, lavish;
>
> informalover the top, smarmy
>
>
>
> adj.
>
> 1. Excessively flattering or insincerely earnest. See Synonyms
> at unctuous.
>
> 2. Disgusting or offensive: "With the stink of decaying corpses
> so near her cave ... suddenly she felt overpowered by the
> fulsome reek" (Jean Auel).
>
> 3. Usage Problem Copious or abundant.
>
> [Middle English fulsom, abundant, well-fed, arousing disgust :
> ful, full; see FULL1 + -som, adj. suff.; see -SOME1.]
>
> fulsome·ly adv.
>
> fulsome·ness n.
>
> Usage Note: The original meaning of fulsome was "copious,
> abundant." But fulsome is now most often used of remarks that
> involve excessive praise or ingratiating flattery, as in Their
> fulsome compliments were viewed as an awkward attempt at winning
> approval. This narrower application of the word has become its
> sole meaning for many educated speakers, to the point where a
> large majority of the Usage Panel disapproves of the use of
> fulsome to mean simply "full" or "copious." In our 2012 survey,
> only 19 percent accepted the use of fulsome as a synonym of full
> in the sentence You can adjust the TV's audio settings for a
> more fulsome bass in movie soundtracks. Use of the word as a
> synonym of copious or expansive found only slightly more
> takers—21 percent accepted The final report will furnish a more
> detailed and fulsome discussion of the issues involved. The use
> of fulsome as a simple synonym of praising without a clear
> indication of inordinacy or insincerity split the Panel n!
>
> early dow
> n
> the middle, with 55 percent accepting the example The research
> director claimed that the product was a major advance that would
> improve Web access for everyone, and the marketing VP was equally
> fulsome in her remarks. Thus it may be best to avoid fulsome except
> where the context unambiguously conveys the idea that the praise in
> question is excessive or fawning.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 01/06/2016 10:51 PM, Alan Greenberg wrote:
>
> I have a concern and resultant question (directed at any Directors who
>
> choose to reply) regarding the phrase "A petition must be
> supported by a
>
> fulsome and written rationale stating the reasons why removal is
> sought."
>
> Let me create a scenario. Directors are chosen by an SO or
> At-Large not
>
> because they will "represent" the appointing body, but (among other
>
> reasons) because there is a general belief that the candidate
> espouses
>
> beliefs and standards similar to those held by those who are
> selecting
>
> the Board member. This is a VERY subjective decision, and not
> one that
>
> is particularly provable.
>
> If, as time unfolds, those involved with the appointing body
>
> overwhelmingly come to feel that the judgement was either
> incorrect, or
>
> more pointedly, if it were to be made again, the candidate would
> NOT be
>
> selected, would expressing this satisfy the "fulsome rationale"?
>
> Alan
>
> At 06/01/2016 09:02 AM, Mathieu Weill wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
> Please find below the main conclusions of our deliberations
> during
>
> call #74. The updated document is attached.
>
> a. to mitigate risk of litigation in case of
> Board removal,
>
> pre-service letters for Board members could be required (see
> paragraph
>
> 39 page 9)
>
> b. a written rationale will be offered very early
> in the
>
> process
>
> c. Lawyers are tasked to provide adequate language to
> provide adequate
>
> direction for implementation.
>
> POST MEETING NOTE :
>
> This version includes edits to incorporate comments from the
> Icann
>
> Board (section 3c – page 12 of the Icann Board comment) that
> were not
>
> included in the previous version (thanks to Kavouss for
> drawing our
>
> attention to this). Each of these comments were considered
> as useful
>
> directions for implementation. (see paragraphs 41 and 48)
>
> 2^nd reading is planned during next Tuesday’s call.
>
> Best,
>
> --
>
> *****************************
>
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>
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>
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