[CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
Dr. Tatiana Tropina
t.tropina at mpicc.de
Wed Jul 13 20:50:20 UTC 2016
Thanks, Greg. +1. Fully agree.
CCWG shall retain the ability to ask for independent advice. Also agree
that continuing with Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin is the best option.
+ 1 also to James previous email about not reopening the debate.
Best,
Tanya
On 13/07/16 22:42, Greg Shatan wrote:
> Siva,
>
> The reasons are all in the record. Please go back and read all of the
> materials and discussions relating to our desire and choice to hire
> independent counsel. If you have any specific questions after that,
> please ask them.
>
> I will briefly say the following:
>
> 1. This has nothing to do with competence, although being generally
> competent and competent in a specific area are two different things.
>
> 2. Where we needed first-hand knowledge or history, we've turned to
> ICANN legal as one source for such things. That won't change. Advice
> is another thing entirely.
>
> 3. Ask yourself "Who is ICANN legal's client?" and you will have
> answered your own question.
>
> Greg
>
> On Wednesday, July 13, 2016, Sivasubramanian M <isolatedn at gmail.com
> <mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> How valid are your assumptions? What are the reasons for this
> unwillingness to make use of ICANN Legal, who are competent, have
> first hand knowledge and a complete understanding of the legal
> nuances on matters concerning ICANN, may I ask? Saves money on
> most matters requiring legal advice, and should there be areas
> that require specialized advice, we could seek external advice.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 12:28 AM, Greg Shatan
> <gregshatanipc at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','gregshatanipc at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> I object, and I think many others objected, to the idea that
> advice from inhouse (i.e., ICANN legal) should be the
> "default." We retained independent counsel to the CCWG for
> good reason
> s
>
>
>
> and those reasons are still applicable today. I hope we don't
> need to rehash that.
>
> We need the continued ability and discretion to go directly to
> CCWG's counsel. Requesting inhouse to solicit an opinion from
> an external counsel is not only "cumbersome," it's absolutely
> antithetical to the relationship between CCWG and its
> independent counsel.
>
> I strongly believe that the "default" must be the status quo,
> i.e., that the CCWG (through reasonable processes) has the
> ability and discretion to turn to its own counsel. Further, I
> strongly believe that CCWG's independent counsel must remain
> Sidley Austin and Adler & Colvin. They have been up a
> tremendous learning curve and worked with us every step of the
> way. It would be folly to cast that aside. It's worth noting
> that Sidley is a full-service law firm with offices outside
> the US in Beijing, Brussels, Geneva, Hong Kong, London,
> Munich, Shanghai, Singapore, Sydney and Tokyo. I'm confident
> that Sidley (and Adler) will (a) tell us when they don't have
> the expertise to help us, and (b) work with us on working
> methods to make our use of the firms more cost-effective.
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:22 PM, Rudolph Daniel
> <rudi.daniel at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','rudi.daniel at gmail.com');>> wrote:
>
> Based on comments on the call today, IMO; A good body of
> knowledge was accquired on the subject of legal requests
> in wg1. WG2 legal resources would be both inhouse and
> external, from start, We should be much more efficient
> this time around. Each sub however will have their needs
> and there may be requests applicable across the subgroups
> and/or specific to a subgroup.
> So, that suggests close relationship between budget
> control and the former legal request team [reconfigured
> and/or augmented] who would have to coordinate requests
> across ws2 sub
> groups as i see it.
> What determines the initial choice inhouse/external
> resources may be a matter of consensus, but it may be
> prudent to consider the process as [default] inhouse with
> the flexible and necessary option of external sources by
> consensus [as the fog clears so to speak]. I think it may
> be cumbersome to request inhouse to solicit an opinion
> from an external, because there may arise an instance
> where; on the strength of an opinion, [inhouse or
> external] ; a wg2 may wish to reframe and seek
> alternative advise elswhere.
> rd
>
>
>
> Rudi Daniel
> /danielcharles consulting
> <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kingstown-Saint-Vincent-and-the-Grenadines/DanielCharles/153611257984774>/
> *
> *
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 7:21 PM, Vinay Kesari
> <vinay.kesari at gmail.com
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','vinay.kesari at gmail.com');>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear all,
>
> I was unfortunately unable to join the call as I was
> on a flight at the time, my apologies. I've just had a
> chance to catch up on the Adobe Connect recording, and
> I'm happy to reconfirm my willingness and availability
> to serve as a rapporteur. Also, I agree with the
> thrust of Kavouss' comment at 0:24:30, and affirm my
> commitment to serve impartially. I look forward to
> working with Greg on the jurisdiction subgroup.
>
> Separately, on the issue of allocation of legal
> requests, I agree that we need further discussion, and
> endorse creating an Option 3 based on the points made
> and the specific requirements of the different WS2
> subgroups.
>
> Regards,
> Vinay
>
>
> On 12 July 2016 at 20:55, Mathieu Weill
> <mathieu.weill at afnic.fr
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mathieu.weill at afnic.fr');>>
> wrote:
>
> Dear Colleagues,
>
>
>
> Attached is a short set of slides to support our
> discussion on agenda item #4
>
>
>
> Talk to you in a few hours
>
> Mathieu
>
>
>
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> *De la part de* MSSI Secretariat
> *Envoyé :* lundi 11 juillet 2016 19:46
> *À :* CCWG-Accountability
> *Objet :* [CCWG-ACCT] Proposed Agenda CCWG ACCT
> Meeting - 12 July 2016 @ 20:00 UTC
>
>
>
> Good day all,
>
> In preparation for your call, CCWG Accountability
> WS2 Meeting #2
> <https://community.icann.org/x/FyOOAw>– Tuesday,
> 12 July @ 20:00 – 22:00 UTC. Time zone converter
> here
> <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=CCWG+Accountability+Meeting&iso=20160712T20&p1=1440&ah=2>
>
>
> *Proposed Agenda:*
>
> 1. Welcome, SOI
>
> 2.
> Articles of Incorporation : finalize submission
>
> 3.
> Appointment of rapporteurs for WS2 – next steps
>
> 4.
> Legal Cost Control Mechanism : initial discussion
>
> 5. AOB
>
> 6. Closing
>
>
>
> *Adobe Connect:
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> <https://icann.adobeconnect.com/accountability/>
>
>
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> With kind regards,
>
> Brenda Brewer
>
> MSSI Projects & Operations Assistant
>
> ICANN-**Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
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>
>
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