I'd like to stick to the topic we are discussing which is disclosure about 'advisors', and lobbyists, and not venture until the gTLDs contracts. I fear that would become a bog that is too unbounded, with some questioning the marketing plans of different gTLDs, like give aways, etc.
So, I ask that as this is the CCWG-ACCT, and the topic is about the amounts paid for consultants specifically working on the IANA transition -- and who they are -- and that they have only ICANN as a client, not also members of ICANN's community on directly related subjects -- we stick to that discussion.
All law firms in the US 'clear' conflicts before accepting a new client, and all corporations 'clear' their consultants. While this may be confidential in both these cases, I do agree that a public interest NGO, which is what ICANN is, can best serve itself, and the interest of the broader ICANN community by as much transparency as possible. BUT let's keep it high level and civil in our request for facts and figures.
As I like to say: Facts are our friends.
Of course, some issues have to be kept confidential.
Who the consultants are has been published, what they were paid would add to the transparency. What they do, at a high level, should be published as well. I will say again that I think that the work is probably much needed. I spend a lot of time -- without being paid -- explaining ICANN as I do my other IG work and it is is a worthwhile task and an important one if we are to demystify ICANN to RoW [Rest of World].
I am sure it is all above board, but it has now taken on a sort of taint of 'why not tell'.
Let's keep this high level and not make it a hunt for the details, but just get the high level facts, and make that a standard.
Will help us all.
M
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] [community-finance] IANA Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
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From: sam at lanfranco.net
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 12:23:12 -0400
As the non-lawyer economist here I would like to observe that the
discussion has honed in on a specific enough question, one that
has an ICANN definitive answer, and that it should be put both to
the Board and the new CEO for a an answer and clarification. I
previously worried that the ICANN DNS contract with .sucks seemed
to verge on ICANN exposing itself to the RICO act in the U.S.,
given the .sucks marketing plan. Maybe I am overly cautious but as
a not-for-profit corporation operating in the public interest
ICANN is more than obliged to provide clarity here. Silence won't
do.
Sam Lanfranco, NPOC/CSIH
On 7/20/2016 12:06 PM, Phil Corwin
wrote:
If
the contract non-disclosure clause indeed violates IRS
disclosure requirements then how could ICANN legal agree to
it?
Philip
S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw
LLC
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Suite
1050
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From:
Ken Stubbs [mailto:kstubbs at afilias.info]
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 11:37 AM
To: Paul Rosenzweig; 'Marilyn Cade'; Phil Corwin;
'Schaefer, Brett'; 'Xavier J. Calvez'
Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
'CCWG-Accountability'; icann-board at icann.org; 'Executive
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Subject: Re: [community-finance] [CCWG-ACCT] IANA
Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3
update
I
believe Lori is correct here. IRS requirements on
disclosures are
usually quite specific here
Ken Stubbs
On 7/20/16 10:32, Lori Schulman wrote:
I
don’t believe that 501©3 orgs can consider any consulting
fees confidential as the top fees are required to be
reported on the 990.
Lori
Lori
S. Schulman
Senior
Director, Internet Policy
International
Trademark Association (INTA)
+1-202-704-0408,
Skype: lsschulman
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On Behalf Of Paul Rosenzweig
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 10:16 AM
To: 'Marilyn Cade' <marilynscade at hotmail.com>;
'Phil Corwin'
<psc at vlaw-dc.com>;
'Schaefer, Brett'
<brett.schaefer at heritage.org>; 'Xavier J.
Calvez'
<xavier.calvez at icann.org>
Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA Stewardship
Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
I
agree completely with Marilyn and Phil. I have been on
both sides of non-disclosure agreements – both ones
requested by me and ones requested by my clients.
Typically, a client (in the position of ICANN) may request
that a consultant sign an NDA so as to protect the
confidentiality of its efforts or its intellectual
property. Sometimes a consultant might have a proprietary
methodology or process that they are using on behalf of
the client that they wish to protect.
Neither
circumstance applies here that I can see. And in no case
that I am aware of has a client ever asked me to keep
confidential my fee … I don’t broadcast them, but I’m in
the private sector. For ICANN, which is an NGO acting in
the global public interest, I cannot see any reason at all
why ICANN would want or agree to a confidentiality
arrangement as to the size of the fee paid.
Xavier
– can you tell us what the rationale is? I may be missing
something …..
Thanks
Paul
Paul
Rosenzweig
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On Behalf Of Marilyn Cade
Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2016 9:05 AM
To: Phil Corwin <psc at vlaw-dc.com>;
Schaefer, Brett <brett.schaefer at heritage.org>;
Xavier J. Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA Stewardship
Transition - Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
I
support Phil's clarifying explanation.
I
also think that anyone who is in this category, should
have to declare if they re also representing
companies in a SO/AC.
Or
advising governments.
In
the BC, we do not allow an ICANN consultant to be a BC
member, regardless of the amount, but if someone is a
backdoor advisor to ICANN and also a group of
entities, in a SO/AC, that would not be so obvious,
but I think that for integrity sake, of course, any
such entity would recuse themselves from advising
companies, while also advising ICANN.
And
I would expect ICANN to disqualify such entities as
their consultants.
Thanks,
Phil, for this useful clarification.
M
From:
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To: Brett.Schaefer at heritage.org;
xavier.calvez at icann.org
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 00:48:08 +0000
CC: cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
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Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA Stewardship Transition
- Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
In
the U.S. much of what used to be done by
registered lobbyists is now performed by
“strategic advisors” who walk right up to the line
of what constitutes lobbying (and maybe a few
inches over), and nonetheless facilitate door
opening to key members of Congress and the
Executive branch, and who “educate” rather than
“lobby” members of both branches of government. So
while the seven firms may not be engaged in what
is considered lobbying under current U.S. law,
they are still likely engaged in helping to assure
officials outcomes desired by ICANN corporate.
It
is for that reason – as well as for the exercise
of effective oversight over ICANN budgeting and
expenditures – that the community should have more
data on this. If ICANN is prohibited by its
contracts with these firms from disclosing its
expenditures that is unfortunate – and in the
future I would hope that ICANN would tell any
firms being considered for such duties that its
own transparency obligations to the community
preclude it from agreeing to such restrictions
(I’d wager that the majority of the firms would
waive confidentiality rather than lose the
contract).
At
a minimum, ICANN should disclose the aggregate
amounts spent with these seven firms since they
were engaged – surely their contracts don’t bar
such aggregate reporting.
Philip
S. Corwin, Founding Principal
Virtualaw
LLC
1155
F Street, NW
Suite
1050
Washington,
DC 20004
202-559-8597/Direct
202-559-8750/Fax
202-255-6172/Cell
Twitter:
@VlawDC
"Luck
is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
From:
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[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org]
On Behalf Of Schaefer, Brett
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 1:04 PM
To: Xavier J. Calvez
Cc: cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
CCWG-Accountability;
icann-board at icann.org;
Executive Team; COMMS Team;
community-finance at icann.org;
Finance Staff
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA
Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses -
FY16 Q3 update
Xavier,
Are
you saying that ICANN’s contracts for
Education/Engagement/Advice with (1) Albright
Stonebridge Group LLC, (2) Edelman, (3) Interface
Media, (4) Rice Hadley Gates LLC, (5) Summit
Strategies International LLC, (6) WBC Global, and
(7) Wiley Rein LLP each contain confidentiality
provisions that prohibit ICANN from disclosing the
specific amount paid to each of these individual
vendors?
Does
this only apply to the CCWG and the public or does
it also apply to other parts of the ICANN
community, specifically the Supporting
Organizations and Advisory Committees?
Thank
you for the link on lobbying disclosures. For
those who are interested, here are ICANN’s
lobbying expenditures based on the disclosure
website of the U.S. Congress.
I
do have a couple of additional questions. Would
this source capture lobbying exclusively directed
toward the US Executive Branch? Has ICANN spent
any funds during this period lobbying governments
other than the US?
Thank
you,
Brett
Brett
Schaefer
Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in
International Regulatory Affairs
Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis
Institute for National Security and Foreign
Policy
The
Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20002
202-608-6097
heritage.org
From:
Xavier J. Calvez [mailto:xavier.calvez at icann.org]
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2016 6:30 PM
To: Schaefer, Brett
Cc: community-finance at icann.org;
cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
CCWG-Accountability; Executive Team; COMMS
Team;
icann-board at icann.org;
Finance Staff
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA
Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses -
FY16 Q3 update
Brett,
Yes, the
information I provided in my latest email had been
included in some previous communication. I just
wanted to make sure you had a clear visibility on
this information, which provides for (i)
categories of expenses, (ii) the individual names
of the vendors grouped for each category, and
(iii) the total value of the expenses for each
category.
With
respect to the contractual obligations of
confidentiality in commercial contracts, ICANN is
subject to them, like all business organizations.
That said, we disclose what we can consistent with
standard business confidentiality provisions in
vendor contracts. We cannot disclose the specific
amount of spend with each vendor but we were able
to disclose the names of the service providers
engaged.
Regarding
the lobbying expenses, as you are aware, both
organizations that hire lobbyists and firms that
lobby on behalf of organizations are required
under U.S. federal law to file lobbying disclosure
reports. In addition to ICANN’s quarterly lobbying
disclosures posted on our website, you can find
the amounts ICANN has paid to individual outside
lobbying firms at
http://disclosures.house.gov/ld/ldsearch.aspx.
I
hope this helps and clarifies.
Thank
you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier
Calvez
ICANN
CFO
12025
Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los
Angeles, CA 90094
Office
: +1 (310) 301 5838
Mobile
: +1 (805) 312 0052
Fax
: +1 (310) 957-2348
From:
"Schaefer,
Brett" <Brett.Schaefer at heritage.org>
Date: Thursday, July 14, 2016 at 7:07 AM
To: Xavier Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
Cc: "community-finance at icann.org"
<community-finance at icann.org>,
"cwg-stewardship at icann.org"
<cwg-stewardship at icann.org>,
CCWG-Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>,
Executive Team <executive-team at icann.org>,
COMMS Team <commsteam at icann.org>,
"icann-board at icann.org"
<icann-board at icann.org>,
Finance Staff <finance-staff at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA
Stewardship Transition - Project Expenses - FY16
Q3 update
Xavier,
This
is pretty much the same information that
was provided before. I am asking for a
breakdown of how much was paid to each
vender in the lobbying category (Akin
Gump, etc.) and the
education/engagement/advice category
(Albright Stoneridge, etc.).
Thank
you,
Brett
On Jul 13, 2016, at 8:13 PM, Xavier J.
Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
wrote:
Dear
Brett,
In
response to your question listed below on
22 June: the detailed information provided
on Other professional fees (other than
legal fees, detailed in a separate section
of the “Transition project cost” expense
webpage, on the IANA Stewardship
Transition webpage) can be found in the
section called “Professional
Services – Expenses Breakdown”.
Within this section, you will find a link
to a document that provides the list of
Professional Services (other than legal
fees) incurred, by category, with the
names of the vendors, and the total amount
of expenditures for the category.
This
link is copied below and was provided in
my first answer to your question. I have
also attached the file to which this link
refers in case the link would not work for
you.
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-stewardship-expenses-professional-vendor-01jun16-en.pdf
If
this not addressing your question, please
let me know.
Thank
you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier
Calvez
ICANN
CFO
12025
Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los
Angeles, CA 90094
Office
: +1 (310) 301 5838
Mobile
: +1 (805) 312 0052
Fax
: +1 (310) 957-2348
Brett
Schaefer
Jay Kingham Senior Research Fellow in
International Regulatory Affairs
Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom Davis
Institute for National Security and Foreign
Policy
The
Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20002
202-608-6097
heritage.org
From:
Xavier
Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at
9:45 AM
To: "Schaefer, Brett" <Brett.Schaefer at heritage.org>,
"community-finance at icann.org"
<community-finance at icann.org>,
"cwg-stewardship at icann.org"
<cwg-stewardship at icann.org>,
CCWG-Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Cc: Executive Team <executive-team at icann.org>,
COMMS Team <commsteam at icann.org>,
"icann-board at icann.org"
<icann-board at icann.org>,
Finance Staff <finance-staff at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] IANA
Stewardship Transition - Project
Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
Brett,
Thank
you for following up.
I
will make sure to respond no later
than the end of this week.
Thank
you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier
Calvez
ICANN
CFO
12025
Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los
Angeles, CA 90094
Office
: +1 (310) 301 5838
Mobile
: +1 (805) 312 0052
Fax
: +1 (310) 957-2348
From:
"Schaefer,
Brett" <Brett.Schaefer at heritage.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 12, 2016
at 11:38 AM
To: Xavier Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>,
"community-finance at icann.org"
<community-finance at icann.org>,
"cwg-stewardship at icann.org"
<cwg-stewardship at icann.org>,
CCWG-Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Cc: Executive Team <executive-team at icann.org>,
COMMS Team <commsteam at icann.org>,
"icann-board at icann.org"
<icann-board at icann.org>,
Finance Staff <finance-staff at icann.org>
Subject: RE: [CCWG-ACCT]
IANA Stewardship Transition -
Project Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
Xavier,
Thanks
for promising to get this
information to me in Helsinki. Do
you have an estimate for when it
will be provided?
Thanks,
Brett
Brett
Schaefer
Jay Kingham Senior Research
Fellow in International
Regulatory Affairs
Margaret Thatcher Center for
Freedom Davis Institute for
National Security and Foreign
Policy
The
Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue, NE
Washington, DC 20002
202-608-6097
heritage.org
From:
Schaefer, Brett
Sent: Wednesday, June
22, 2016 2:39 PM
To: 'Xavier J. Calvez';
community-finance at icann.org;
cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
CCWG-Accountability
Cc: Executive Team;
COMMS Team; icann-board at icann.org;
Finance Staff
Subject: RE:
[CCWG-ACCT] IANA Stewardship
Transition - Project Expenses
- FY16 Q3 update
Xavier,
I
appreciate the detailed breakdown
on the legal fees That is indeed
what I was looking for though I
would think it useful to have the
totals provided in the summary
document.
However,
I did not see similar information
for lobbying or education/
engagement/advice in the links
provided. In fact, the only
specific information that I saw
listed is for Jamie Hedlund at
$200,000. No information on other
individual firms or vendors is
listed at all – only the top line
budget expenditure in the summary
document link originally sent
around.
Could
you provide that information?
Thanks,
Brett
From:
Xavier J. Calvez [mailto:xavier.calvez at icann.org]
Sent: Wednesday, June
22, 2016 10:43 AM
To: Schaefer, Brett; community-finance at icann.org;
cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
CCWG-Accountability
Cc: Executive Team;
COMMS Team; icann-board at icann.org;
Finance Staff
Subject: Re:
[CCWG-ACCT] IANA Stewardship
Transition - Project Expenses
- FY16 Q3 update
Dear
all,
It
appears that the first link in my
email further below (detail of
legal fees by firm) does not
resolve correctly. Please use the
below instead.
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-stewardship-expenses-legal-firm-fy16-01jun16-en.pdf
Thank
you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier
Calvez
ICANN
CFO
12025
Waterfront Drive, Suite 300
Los
Angeles, CA 90094
Office
: +1 (310) 301 5838
Mobile
: +1 (805) 312 0052
Fax
: +1 (310) 957-2348
From:
Xavier
Calvez <xavier.calvez at icann.org>
Date: Wednesday, June
22, 2016 at 1:01 PM
To: "Schaefer, Brett"
<Brett.Schaefer at heritage.org>,
"community-finance at icann.org"
<community-finance at icann.org>,
"cwg-stewardship at icann.org"
<cwg-stewardship at icann.org>,
CCWG-Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Cc: Executive Team <executive-team at icann.org>,
COMMS Team <commsteam at icann.org>,
"icann-board at icann.org"
<icann-board at icann.org>,
Finance Staff <finance-staff at icann.org>
Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT]
IANA Stewardship Transition -
Project Expenses - FY16 Q3
update
Dear
Brett,
Thank
you for your interest and
question.
We
currently publish the list of
all vendors from whom ICANN
obtain services in relation to
the IANA Stewardship
transition. The $$ value of
the services received is
aggregated by category of
expenses, which you mention
below (US Government affairs,
Education/engagement/advice,…). This presentation is driven by 2
factors: providing clarity as
to the type of services
received, and abiding by the
contractual obligation of
confidentiality in force with
each of the vendors (resulting
from standard business
sensitive information).
We
do publish however the detail
of the legal advice, by firm
and by working group, on this
same page (see for example the
link to the report of fees by
firm:
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-stewardship-expenses-legal-firm-fy16-01jun16-en.pdf).
You
will also find more
information relative to
ICANN’s lobbying in the
following blog published a few
months ago. In this blog, you
will also find links to the
disclosure reports that ICANN
makes on lobbying activities.
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/lobbying-disclosures-contributions-2015-11-18-en.
Lastly,
further information on
lobbying appears in ICANN’s
form 990 (Schedule C, Part
II-B. On page 33/73 of the
FY15 form 990 published at the
following link):
https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/fy-2015-form-990-10may16-en.pdf
I
hope this helps. Please let me
know if you have further
questions.
Thank
you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier
Calvez
ICANN
CFO
12025
Waterfront Drive, Suite
300
Los
Angeles, CA 90094
Office
: +1 (310) 301 5838
Mobile
: +1 (805) 312 0052
Fax
: +1 (310) 957-2348
From:
"Schaefer,
Brett" <Brett.Schaefer at heritage.org>
Date: Tuesday, June
21, 2016 at 9:54 PM
To: Xavier Calvez
<xavier.calvez at icann.org>,
"community-finance at icann.org"
<community-finance at icann.org>,
"cwg-stewardship at icann.org"
<cwg-stewardship at icann.org>,
CCWG-Accountability <accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
Cc: Executive Team
<executive-team at icann.org>,
COMMS Team <commsteam at icann.org>,
"icann-board at icann.org"
<icann-board at icann.org>,
Finance Staff <finance-staff at icann.org>
Subject: RE:
[CCWG-ACCT] IANA Stewardship
Transition - Project
Expenses - FY16 Q3 update
Xavier,
Thank
you. Could you please
provide a more detailed
breakdown of legal advice,
US government affairs, and
educations/engagement/advice? In each category, there are multiple
firms/vendors listed (https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/files/iana-stewardship-expenses-professional-vendor-01jun16-en.pdf).
I would appreciate the
amount provided to each
individual vendor. If it
is provided somewhere, I
would appreciate you
letting me know where to
find it.
Much
appreciated,
Brett
Brett
Schaefer
Jay Kingham Senior
Research Fellow in
International Regulatory
Affairs
Margaret Thatcher Center
for Freedom Davis
Institute for National
Security and Foreign
Policy
The
Heritage Foundation
214 Massachusetts Avenue,
NE
Washington, DC 20002
202-608-6097
heritage.org
From:
accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
[mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org]
On Behalf Of Xavier
J. Calvez
Sent: Saturday,
June 18, 2016 12:10 AM
To: community-finance at icann.org;
cwg-stewardship at icann.org;
CCWG-Accountability
Cc: Executive
Team; COMMS Team; icann-board at icann.org;
Finance Staff
Subject:
[CCWG-ACCT] IANA
Stewardship Transition
- Project Expenses -
FY16 Q3 update
Dear
all,
You
find at the link below the
updated project’s expenses
as of FY16 Q3 (from July
2014 to March 2016). As
indicated a few months
ago, we have added new
detailed information on
the staff support with the
individual positions,
names and percentages of
effort over the period.
https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/iana-stewardship-project-costs
Thank
you.
Best,
Xavier
Xavier
Calvez
ICANN
CFO
12025
Waterfront Drive,
Suite 300
Los
Angeles, CA 90094
Office
: +1 (310) 301 5838
Mobile
: +1 (805) 312 0052
Fax
: +1 (310) 957-2348
<iana-stewardship-expenses-professional-vendor-01jun16-en.pdf>
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