[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2

Mon May 30 21:49:39 UTC 2016

Marilyn, you got my 100cent

Cheers

On Monday, May 30, 2016, Marilyn Cade <marilynscade at hotmail.com> wrote:
> My comment is intended to be neutral in tone, but to mention perhaps a
lesson learned.
>
> Transcripts of sub groups meetings might need to be instigated from the
beginning, with an understanding of that for ICANN support.
>
> I am speaking from experience in a different fora, the UN CSTD, where I
was able finally to get an agreement to transcripts, and then, viola, no $.
>
> I note that the IGF Secretariat donated the WEBex, and ICANN the
transcripts. That is a very different world from our ICANN world, but I
hope that we will simply recommend, and then advocate for transcripts not
just recordings for this important work.
>
> As I follow the ICANN budget, you can count on my strong advocacy that
this is a basic, not an option.
>
> Others on this list are also following the ICANN budget, and we can also
advise the Board, in the Public Forums of this important support...
> As a given,
>
> ________________________________
> From: el at lisse.na
> Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 19:39:10 +0100
> To: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> CC: directors at omadhina.NET
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2
>
> Transcripts, shranscripts, so what?
> Transition is done, the chartering organizations' constituents don't read
our report or proposals anyway, so why do we even bother with WS2?
> Hardly surprising.
> el
>
> --
> Sent from Dr Lisse's iPad mini 4
> On 30 May 2016, at 18:55, Edward Morris <egmorris1 at toast.net> wrote:
>
> Agree with Robin.
>
> I would also point out that given our creation, as Thomas was quoted in
The Economist as saying, of an organisation resembling a state, in future
years issues such as intent may be important in resolving irp disputes and
elsewhere. Transcripts would provide a historical record that other forms
of media can not equal.
>
> Ed
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "Robin Gross" <robin at ipjustice.org>
> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 6:15 PM
> To: "accountability-cross-community at icann.org" <
accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Subject: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2
>
> Since one of the agreed objectives of WS2 all along has been to
"institute a culture of transparency at ICANN," this proposal to not
release transcripts of discussions in the accountability subgroups runs
contrary to our stated goal.
>
> Not everyone has the time to listen to the entire meeting recording and
may be scanning only for specific words, which can’t be done with a
recording, so this policy limits the number of people who can effectively
access the contents of the meeting discussions.  I think this would be a
step backwards in transparency - at exactly the time we’ve pledged to move
forward on transparency at ICANN.
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> Robin
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> On May 30, 2016, at 9:42 AM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com> wrote:
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> Bernie,
>
> That was quite clear in my note (please see the last sentence).  My
concerns stand.
>
> Without a transcription, the only method for catching up on a particular
meeting is listening to the entire recording (which is more time consuming
than reviewing a transcript) and without notes, the only way to review what
happened over a series of meetings are skeletal "action items" (or again,
listening or re-listening to a recording).
>
> Greg
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Bernard Turcotte <
turcotte.bernard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> Just to be clear recordings of all calls will continue to be made
available after each call of each group.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Cheers.
>
> B.
>
> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 12:14 PM, Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>
wrote:
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> I'm more concerned about a different area of (lack of) support:
>
> "No note taking by staff, beyond action items, and no transcriptions."
>
> This will make it more difficult to keep the thread of our work going
from week to week.
>
> I think we may have relied too heavily on staff drafting of the actual
report in Work Stream 1.  While I don't necessarily relish substantial
drafting responsibilities, it's important that the end product be the work
of the community.  The staff (and in particular Bernie) did an amazing job,
but it still felt like an odd "intermediation" at times.
>
> Meeting notes and transcriptions are important tools in getting to that
point.  Hopefully, the action items will be sufficiently detailed to allow
a meeting's results to be comprehensible to those that miss that call, but
something will be lost when the sole record of that meeting is a recording
and a bullet-point list of "action items."
>
> Greg
>
> Greg
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> On Mon, May 30, 2016 at 6:29 AM, Finn Petersen <FinPet at erst.dk> wrote:
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> I fully support the idea from Jorge.
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>
>
> Best,
>
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>
> Finn
>
>
>
> Fra: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] På vegne af
Jorge.Cancio at bakom.admin.ch
> Sendt: 30. maj 2016 12:13
> Til: turcotte.bernard at gmail.com; accountability-cross-community at icann.org
> Emne: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2
>
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>
> Dear co-chairs, dear all
>
>
>
> I was finally having a look at these documents and an apparent
inconsistency struck my eye: on the one hand, it is foreseen that the
subgroups will do the „heavy lifting“ including drafting etc.. But, on the
other hand, the subgroup members are expected to draft their own documents.
>
>
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> This could delegate and impose probably too much of a burden on the
volunteers and have also undesired side-effects on the inclusiveness and
diversity of the subgroups and their outputs, as drafting is not only
extremely time intensive –a resource which is unequally distributed- but
also requires native or near-native English writing skills.
>
>
>
> Hence, I would advocate a more balanced approach, with our professional
and neutral staff still taking care of the drafting of each subgroups’ key
documents (e.g. initial issues description, scoping paper, draft output
docs, output doc, etc) as a general rule – with subgroup participants
taking over documents that have a more contingent/ad hoc character.
>
>
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> Hope this may be agreeable to all
>
>
>
> Best
>
>
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
> Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org [mailto:
accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org] Im Auftrag von Bernard
Turcotte
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 25. Mai 2016 18:21
> An: Accountability Cross Community <
accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
> Betreff: [CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability - Preparing for WS2
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> As the work on the Bylaws comes to a close, we have spent some time
preparing and thinking through Work Stream 2. Our official Work Stream 2
kick-off is on Sunday 26 June at ICANN56 in Helsinki. To prepare for the
kick off, we would like to have a plenary CCWG-Accountability next week
on Tuesday 31 May at 19:00 UTC. The proposed agenda for the call is as
follows:
>
>
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> Agenda for CCWG meeting on 31 May at 19:00 UTC:
>
> 1. Opening Remarks
>
> 2. Budget discussion
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> 3. Preparation for WS2 kickoff in Helsinki
>
> ·         What to do before Helsinki
> ·         What are next steps (after Helsinki)
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> 4. AOB
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> 5. Closing Remarks
>
>
>
> Attached you will find a presentation on the budget that we have prepared
with the help of Bernard Turcotte and ICANN staff in their Project Costing
Support Team function. We will need to submit this budget to the ICANN
Board for their consideration and approval before the start of FY17 in
July. As you will see from the presentation, there are a few areas that we
may want to discuss as a full group before submitting our proposal. Please
initiate the discussion on the CCWG-Accountability list, and we’ll continue
the discussion on the call.
>
>
>
> You will also find attached a presentation on preparing the WS2 kickoff
in Helsinki.
>
>
>
> Best,
>
> Mathieu, Thomas, Leon
>
> CCWG-Accountability co-Chairs
>
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