[CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity

Tue Mar 7 18:04:42 UTC 2017

Agree that Staff should be an a/k/a for Organization a la Goran.

The "whole ball of wax" has often been called (informally) the "ICANN
ecosystem." Lori has proposed "ICANN System."  I tend to prefer Ecosystem,
even though there's nothing "ecological" about it.  I note that
dictionaries are now defining "ecological" as "(in general use) a complex
network or interconnected system."  Also, "system" sounds a bit industrial
or at least more regularized and regulated, while "ecosystem" implies a
certain organic aspect, which feels more appropriate to me in this instance.

Greg

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On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net>
wrote:

> I don't care about ideology one way or t'other.
>
> I care about comprehension and communication.
>
>
> On 07/03/17 17:17, avri doria wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> My normal inclination would have been to use Organization to mean all of
>> us in the multistakeholder trinity (board, community and staff) as many
>> have argued.  But since Goran was seemingly set on his usage, I am
>> worried about us building in a permanent confusion/ambiguity.  Thus my
>> search for another way to refer to it.  It is also why I included Staff
>> as an aka for ICANN Organization, trying to keep our standard usage as
>> well as allow for the CEO's usage.
>>
>> Trying to be pragmatic and not ideological about this.
>>
>> avri
>>
>>
>> On 07-Mar-17 10:53, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>
>>> I think it makes sense to refer to the *legal entity* known as the
>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers as the
>>> "Corporation" (which is a term of US law (not just California law)
>>> used for non-profit incorporated entities (including public interest
>>> entities, charities, foundations, membership organizations, etc.)).
>>>
>>> Where we are referring to something other than the that legal entity,
>>> we should not use "corporation."
>>>
>>> I believe that Goran is using Organization to refer to the "staff"
>>> (CEO on down, both employees and those who may be engaged on an
>>> "independent contractor" or "consultant" basis), but not to the Board
>>> (which is also part of the Corporation), but we may want to clarify.
>>>
>>> I agree with Stephen Deerhake that we need to be mindful of existing
>>> terms and use them as our basis.  The corollary to that is to avoid
>>> using any currently-used terms differently than their current use --
>>> so we should not contradict Goran's use of "organization" (once we
>>> confirm exactly how he uses it and what the "boundaries" of his
>>> definition are).
>>>
>>> Greg
>>>
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>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Schweighofer Erich
>>> <erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at
>>> <mailto:erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     It is good to work on terminology but it should be a common effort
>>>     and reflecting real language use. ICANN-speak is already a strong
>>>     "border" joining our community. Some ontology work can help.
>>>     I would prefer organization - corporation is very much a term of
>>>     California law not much used outside for a public purpose
>>> association.
>>>     Best regards, Erich Schweighofer
>>>
>>>     -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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>>>     [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] Im
>>>     Auftrag von Bruce Tonkin
>>>     Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. März 2017 01:29
>>>     An: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>>     Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity
>>>
>>>     >>  Make it as simple as possible so that ICANN outsiders will
>>>     understand it.
>>>
>>>     >>  Thanks to the 1000+ acronyms ICANN has created enough
>>>     confusion not only among the "people in the street" who arer using
>>>     domainnames but also among Internet policy makers who are not
>>>     ICANN insiders but have to deal with implications conming fro
>>>     domainnames.
>>>
>>>     Yes - where possible I prefer we use terminology in common use in
>>>     the wider community.
>>>
>>>     I would generally think that "organization" or "corporation"
>>>     refers to Board, staff, and contractors.
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Bruce Tonkin
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