[CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity

Tue Mar 7 18:22:23 UTC 2017

Dear All,
Thanks  for  your  comments .
I am not following any individual . If someone ,for ease of referred
referred to ICANN as organisation ( staff ,CEO .... and not Board. tHIS IS
NOT CORRECT

If we include Board we may call all those as organization
However, there is IACNN system

2017-03-07 19:04 GMT+01:00 Greg Shatan <gregshatanipc at gmail.com>:

> Agree that Staff should be an a/k/a for Organization a la Goran.
>
> The "whole ball of wax" has often been called (informally) the "ICANN
> ecosystem." Lori has proposed "ICANN System."  I tend to prefer Ecosystem,
> even though there's nothing "ecological" about it.  I note that
> dictionaries are now defining "ecological" as "(in general use) a complex
> network or interconnected system."  Also, "system" sounds a bit industrial
> or at least more regularized and regulated, while "ecosystem" implies a
> certain organic aspect, which feels more appropriate to me in this instance.
>
>
>
> Greg
>
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> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 12:46 PM, Nigel Roberts <nigel at channelisles.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't care about ideology one way or t'other.
>>
>> I care about comprehension and communication.
>>
>>
>> On 07/03/17 17:17, avri doria wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> My normal inclination would have been to use Organization to mean all of
>>> us in the multistakeholder trinity (board, community and staff) as many
>>> have argued.  But since Goran was seemingly set on his usage, I am
>>> worried about us building in a permanent confusion/ambiguity.  Thus my
>>> search for another way to refer to it.  It is also why I included Staff
>>> as an aka for ICANN Organization, trying to keep our standard usage as
>>> well as allow for the CEO's usage.
>>>
>>> Trying to be pragmatic and not ideological about this.
>>>
>>> avri
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07-Mar-17 10:53, Greg Shatan wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think it makes sense to refer to the *legal entity* known as the
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers as the
>>>> "Corporation" (which is a term of US law (not just California law)
>>>> used for non-profit incorporated entities (including public interest
>>>> entities, charities, foundations, membership organizations, etc.)).
>>>>
>>>> Where we are referring to something other than the that legal entity,
>>>> we should not use "corporation."
>>>>
>>>> I believe that Goran is using Organization to refer to the "staff"
>>>> (CEO on down, both employees and those who may be engaged on an
>>>> "independent contractor" or "consultant" basis), but not to the Board
>>>> (which is also part of the Corporation), but we may want to clarify.
>>>>
>>>> I agree with Stephen Deerhake that we need to be mindful of existing
>>>> terms and use them as our basis.  The corollary to that is to avoid
>>>> using any currently-used terms differently than their current use --
>>>> so we should not contradict Goran's use of "organization" (once we
>>>> confirm exactly how he uses it and what the "boundaries" of his
>>>> definition are).
>>>>
>>>> Greg
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Mar 7, 2017 at 2:28 AM, Schweighofer Erich
>>>> <erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at
>>>> <mailto:erich.schweighofer at univie.ac.at>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     It is good to work on terminology but it should be a common effort
>>>>     and reflecting real language use. ICANN-speak is already a strong
>>>>     "border" joining our community. Some ontology work can help.
>>>>     I would prefer organization - corporation is very much a term of
>>>>     California law not much used outside for a public purpose
>>>> association.
>>>>     Best regards, Erich Schweighofer
>>>>
>>>>     -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>     Von: accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>
>>>>     [mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org
>>>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community-bounces at icann.org>] Im
>>>>     Auftrag von Bruce Tonkin
>>>>     Gesendet: Sonntag, 05. März 2017 01:29
>>>>     An: accountability-cross-community at icann.org
>>>>     <mailto:accountability-cross-community at icann.org>
>>>>     Betreff: Re: [CCWG-ACCT] Terminology for the ICANN trinity
>>>>
>>>>     >>  Make it as simple as possible so that ICANN outsiders will
>>>>     understand it.
>>>>
>>>>     >>  Thanks to the 1000+ acronyms ICANN has created enough
>>>>     confusion not only among the "people in the street" who arer using
>>>>     domainnames but also among Internet policy makers who are not
>>>>     ICANN insiders but have to deal with implications conming fro
>>>>     domainnames.
>>>>
>>>>     Yes - where possible I prefer we use terminology in common use in
>>>>     the wider community.
>>>>
>>>>     I would generally think that "organization" or "corporation"
>>>>     refers to Board, staff, and contractors.
>>>>
>>>>     Regards,
>>>>     Bruce Tonkin
>>>>
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