[CCWG-ACCT] CCWG-Accountability-Meeting-20170329 Agenda

Kavouss Arasteh kavouss.arasteh at gmail.com
Wed Mar 29 09:19:55 UTC 2017


Dear All,
I read a message from Parminder which I copy here for those who have not
read it.
This is an important issue that co-chair needs to consider under item 5 of
the Agenda.
Regards
Kavouss
See below

Quote

*Colleagues,*

*Excuse my disappointed tone, but I am unable to get a fix on what
direction are we headed right now, or whether we are moving at all .*

*We seem to have laid all our hope on some legalistic pursuits, which
happen to be of a kind with known outcomes. On one side we have sent out a
questionnaire with an exceedingly narrow remit of seeking past occurrences
where ICANN's US jurisdiction may have come in conflict with ICANN's
working. All of these instances are very widely known and discussed, and
whatever inferences each of us makes out of them is what we make out of
them. Though these differences and their rationales can be discussed here.
There is not going to any case of some guy from deep Indian jungles
suddenly coming out with a story of an old illicit liaison with ICANN,
which will then open our eyes to something very new. Whom are we kidding,
other than ourselves, all the cases that exist are know - quite well known.
If we want to, we can discuss them. But this waiting for godot isnt going
to be of any use.*


*If some people believe that this exercise is going to make us able to say;
well, we looked everywhere, and we found no proof that US jurisdiction of
ICANN has any (or any substantial) implication for ICANN's policy making
processes, that is simply plain silly. That is not going to happen. Our
differences here are not about some unknown historical facts, but about
facts that we all mutually know, and our respective inferences from them. *

*Similarly, we have referred to ICANN legal issues of jurisdiction and
jurisprudence that are so obvious and simple that even a non lawyer like me
is pretty clear about them. In any case, there is enough literature out
there on how courts exercise jurisdiction, and what trumps what, and so on.
There is no way that this exercise is going to come up with some kind of
proof that US jurisdiction is only as much applicable over ICANN as any
other jurisdiction, or that even if ICANN was incorporated elsewhere, or
had judicial immunity, the US jurisdiction will still have same kind of
powers over ICANN as it does now. *


*I think we should stop shadow boxing, and get on with real tasks. *


*IMHO, this group is mostly not able to decide what to do, knowing that the
differences of opinions (and excuse me to say, interests) are very wide,
and also very basic. And therefore we are simply trying to look like
keeping busy. I dont think this is a very productive use of people's time. *

*Does anyone have any bright idea about how we can wrap this all up...*

*parminder"*

2017-03-28 19:36 GMT+02:00 Bernard Turcotte <turcotte.bernard at gmail.com>:

> All,
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> Here is the agenda for the Wednesday ​29 March 1300 plenary.
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> Adobe room as usual is https://participate.icann.org/accountability
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> Agenda:
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> 1. Introduction, update to SOIs, reminder on standards of behavior
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> 2. Review of Agenda
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> 3. Administration
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>    - Staffing changes
>    - Review of action items from previous meeting
>    - DashBoard data and completion dates.
>    - Status on open public comments.
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> 4. Legal Committee Update
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>    - Jurisdiction sub-group questions to ICANN Legal.
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> 5. Updates/Presentation from sub-groups
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>    - SOAC Accountability - Second reading (updated document)
>    - Diversity Questionnaire - Second reading (updated document)
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> 6. Next Plenary
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>    - Wednesday 12 April 1900UTC
>    - Documents due 5 April 23:59UTC
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> 7. AOB
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> 8. Adjournment
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> Bernard Turcotte
> ICANN Staff Support to the CCWG-Accountability-Ws2
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