[arabic-vip] next call

[Siavash Shahshahani]

Dear Sarmad and All,
I'm trying to make it back to office or home to participate in the call
today, but in case I don't manage, here are a couple of points I wish to
mention:
1. Regarding UDRP and the text kindly prepared by Manal, there is
widespread reference to bundling. As bundling is not the only possible way
to deal with variants ( e.g., indexing or other means), it seems to me that
a more generic reference to methods deployed by a registry to deal with
variants is advisable.
2. While the extensive coverage of all issues related to establishing and
running a TLD is commendable, we should not lose sight of the fact that
much ICANN activity has already been directed at these issues, and the
additional attention to variants should not become a tool for postponing
IDN TLDs. Note that ccNSO is on its way for doing a PDP on ccIDNs (which of
course will take advantage of any useful output from VIP), and gNSO paved
the way for DAG which is supposed to deal with gTLDs, both ASCII and IDN.
We have to be careful not to provide any excuses for discriminating against
IDN gTLDs on grounds of 'further study needed'.
Best
Siavash
    
> --- On Tue, 8/9/11, Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk> wrote:
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> From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk>
> Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] next call
> To: arabic-vip at icann.org
> Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2011, 5:39 PM
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> Dear All,
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> Here is the summary of our call today:
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> 1.       It was generally agreed that we will have initial drafts of
> issues and definitions documents as per the original schedule
> a.       Issues document first draft – 10th August – to be circulated by
> Sarmad
> b.      Definitions document first draft – 25th August – to be
circulated
> by Manal
> c.       Pre-F2F drafts for Issues and Definition documents – by 10th
> September
> d.      Final documents 30th Sept. 
> 2.       Face-to-Face meeting is tentatively planned from 13-15 Sept.
(for
> 2.5 days; half day on 15th Sept).  ICTQatar and ICANN to confirm these
> dates (for logistic support and for availability of external experts,
> including Andrew and Francisco, at least, at this time)
> 3.       Structure of Issues document is to be finalized.  There was no
> consensus on  either Option1 or Option2 and thus an hybrid Option3 will
be
> circulated for further feedback (by Sarmad and Iftikhar).
> 4.       Additional items which need to be discussed for the final
> document:
> a.       End User issues – including issues by administrators of mail
and
> web servers, etc.
> b.      Language table structure – if not already addressed completely
> c.       Gap analysis with Issues document circulated by VIP team
earlier
> (we need volunteers for this; please let us know) 
>  
> All those who could not attend, kindly let us know if you have any
issues
> with the dates of the F2F meeting?  
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> Next call on Tuesday at 11:00 UTC next week.  
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> Tentative agenda of next call: finish the discussion on UDRP.  Finalize
> any open logistic matters.  Any other items.
>  
> Regards,
> Sarmad
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> From: Sarmad Hussain [mailto:sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk] 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:51 PM
> To: 'arabic-vip at icann.org'
> Subject: RE: next call
>  
> Dear All,
>  
> Agenda for today:
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> 1.       Timelines for documents
> 2.       Face to Face meeting
> 3.       Structure of the Issues Document
> 4.       Discussion on UDRP Document
> 5.       Any other items?
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> Talk to you soon.
>  
> Regards,
> Sarmad
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> 
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> From: sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk [mailto:sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk] On
> Behalf Of Dr.Sarmad Hussain
> Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2011 3:41 AM
> To: sarmad at cantab.net
> Subject: Fwd: next call
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> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Sarmad Hussain <sarmad.hussain at kics.edu.pk>
> Date: Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 11:01 AM
> Subject: next call
> To: arabic-vip at icann.org
> Cc: Baher Esmat <baher.esmat at icann.org>
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> Dear All,
>  
> 1.       Thanks Manal for updating and circulating the document on
dispute
> resolution.  As rightly raised by Dr. Al-Zoman, and clarified by
Francisco,
> there is relevance of this discussion for the gTLD program (at TLD level
as
> well).  It is suggested that we continue the discussion as it is
bringing
> out some important issues, and then in our final write-up revisit the
> relevant section(s) of the guidebook to filter out any points we think
may
> be irrelevant.  
> 2.       As discussed in the previous call, and for the information of
> those who were not able to attend, we will be discussion two
administrative
> matters at the beginning of the call, and then continue our discussion
on
> the Dispute Resolution process.  The two items are:
> a.       Overall plan of work for the rest of the duration of the
> project.  Though we are having very good discussions, it will be useful
to
> review the earlier timeline, as discussed in Singapore, and see if we
still
> want to proceed accordingly.  In addition, we would also want to see
what
> tasks need to be undertaken to meet our goals.  Here are possible
> deliverables for the discussion.  
>                                                                i.     
> First draft of issues document
>                                                              ii.     
> Pre-F2F revised draft of issues document
>                                                             iii.     
> Post-F2F final draft of issues document
>                                                            iv.     
First
> draft of definitions document
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> Pre-F2F revised draft of definitions document
>                                                            vi.     
> Post-F2F final draft of definitions document
>                                                           vii.     
> Release of Issues and Definitions (addendum) documents for Arabic script
> case
> b.      We need to plan our face to face meeting at ICTQatar.  We need
to
> plan and finalize the dates now so that all of us have time to schedule
> these trips and to allow our kind hosts enough time to prepare and
assist
> in visa processes, and logistics, etc.  
> 3.       There has been a request to review the meeting time and move it
a
> few hours later.  Though we have had good and regular attendance in our
> calls by many, it is perhaps a good idea to review the current time (as
we
> have already met on this for at least a month).  Baher is requested to
> circulate a doodle poll for current and one or two slots for a later
time
> on Tuesdays (so as not to open things too much).  Unless, otherwise
> specified, we will continue to have our calls at the same time on
> Tuesdays.  
> 4.       Baher is also requested to let us know if there is any group or
> public discussion on these documents during the Senegal meeting (similar
to
> the meetings in Singapore)? Also, will these documents be put up for
public
> comments?  If yes, are there any concrete plans for collective VIP
project
> or should  Arabic script team discuss and suggest their own separate
plans?
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> سرمد حسین 
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> Sarmad Hussain 
> Professor and Head
> Center for Language Engineering (www.cle.org.pk)
> Al-Khawarizmi Institute of Computer Science (www.kics.edu.pk)
> University of Engineering and Technology (www.uet.edu.pk)
> Lahore, PAKISTA
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