[arabic-vip] Singapore
Abdulaziz Al-Zoman
azoman at citc.gov.sa
Fri Jun 17 17:20:20 UTC 2011
I welcome everyone and apologize for not being able to see you in the face-to-face meeting.
For the Saudi IDN experince:
Raed Al-Fayez (from SaudiNIC) will be attending ICANN Singapore meeting but will not be able to attend your meeting. But he will deliver a presentation in the ccNSO's Tech Day, where he will present SaudiNIC's experience in providing Arabic IDN including our proposal for managing variant domain name.
His presentation will be in 20 June 2011, Olivia, see
http://ccnso.icann.org/meetings/singapore/agenda-ccnso-tech-day-20jun11-en.pdf
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عبدالعزيز بن حمد الزومان
Abdulaziz H. Al-Zoman
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From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org] on behalf of Dr. Sarmad Hussain [sarmad at cantab.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 8:15 PM
To: arabic-vip at icann.org
Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] Singapore
Dear All,
Here is the tentative schedule for the two sessions on Arabic Case Study. Please let us know your feedback.
Session 1
1. Introductions of participating team members (10 minutes)
2. Review Glossary and Questions (30 minutes)
- Decide how to address the questions (not answer them during the session)
3. Experiences of existing ccTLDs (20 mintues)
- Variant related issues (requesting: Saudi Arabia, Iran, Qatar, others?)
4. List known issues (30 minutes)
o Required combining marks – extra Unicode normalization
o Optional combining marks -
o Same shape in a particular position
o Similar shape in a particular position
o Digits
o Joining characters – ZWNJ
o Input method variation
o Bidirectional rendering issues in applications
o General rendering issues in applications – writing styles – Naskh vs. Nastalique, etc.
o Specification of language table
o Bundling, blocking, reserving
o Others
Session 2
5. Finalize the initial Issues list (30 minutes)
6. Deliverables and Timelines (30 minutes)
- Identify the list of things to do
- Volunteers/sub-teams for various tasks identified
- Develop timelines
7. Schedule (30 minutes)
- frequency and timings of conference calls
- schedule of face to face meetings
o September (or earlier)? Location?
o October (Senegal) co-located with ICANN 42 (finalize date(s))
Regards,
Sarmad
From: Manal Ismail [mailto:manal at tra.gov.eg]
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:44 PM
To: Dr. Sarmad Hussain; arabic-vip at icann.org
Subject: RE: [arabic-vip] Singapore
Thank you Sarmad ..
I agree with you that the time is tight and that we may not be able to discuss everything with the required level of details in our face-to-face meeting ..
I hope we can try to progress as much online as my experience with conference calls is not always very positive ..
On a first reading, I've nothing to add to the agenda below but I've inserted a few remarks inline below ..
Kind Regards ..
--Manal
From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [mailto:arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Dr. Sarmad Hussain
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 7:11 PM
To: arabic-vip at icann.org
Subject: [arabic-vip] Singapore
Dear All,
It was good to have most of you on the call today. As per our discussion, here are the five items for the Singapore meeting. We have two 1.5 hour slots for this agenda. This is short time so we may have to skip or cut short some of the tasks which may take longer discussion and bring them to the conference calls or online discussion.
8. Glossary
- discuss the definitions developed by IDN VIP in the context of Arabic script
- identify additional items for glossary relevant to Arabic
Manal: Indeed this is very important .. I believe we should be clear in highlighting where the term 'Variant' is from other terms such as 'Confusingly similar' and 'Defensive Registrations' .. will there be an overall definition at the end abstracted from the different case study definitions ?
9. Experiences of existing ccTLDs
- Variant related issues (need volunteers from the team who have experience in this context)
Manal: This would be very useful .. unfortunately, in Egypt, we don't have yet a sound experience in Variants handling as we have not yet launched the Landrush phase ..
10. List known issues (here is an initial list from earlier discussions at ASIWG and other forums: see Arabic script presentation at http://svsf40.icann.org/node/22193 for details and examples; please add/delete/edit/comment)
- Technical
o Required combining marks – extra Unicode normalization
o Optional combining marks -
o Same shape in a particular position
o Similar shape in a particular position
o Digits
o Joining characters – ZWNJ
Manal: Thanks for the useful summary .. Does 'Optional combining marks' in bullet 2 above refer to 'Diacritics' ?
- User Interface
o Input method variation
o Bidirectional rendering issues in applications
o General rendering issues in applications – writing styles – Naskh vs. Nastalique, etc.
- Policy
o Specification of language table
o Bundling, blocking, reserving
Manal: I believe we also have to tackle 'Automated vs. Requested' bundling, blocking, reserving .. in other words are there cases where bundling, blocking, reserving will be mandatory implemented for security reasons ?
11. Deliverables
- Identify the list of things to do
- Volunteers for various tasks identified
- Develop any sub-teams, if needed
Manal: I suggest we add 'Timeline' to the title above to read 'Deliverables & Timeline' and that we try to locate the deliverables identified to a timeline we agree on and of course fitting within the overall timeline of the whole project ..
12. Schedule
- frequency and timings of conference calls
- schedule of face to face meetings
o September (or earlier)? Location?
o October (Senegal) co-located with ICANN 42 (finalize date(s))
Would like to hear comments on these or other items, as we all develop the agenda for Singapore.
I am also attaching some documents which have been shared on ASIWG lists in this context in the past (see http://www.asiwg.org/wiki/Main_Page as well). This is get you familiarized with different issues already identified. Again please feel free to share any further comments.
Regards,
Sarmad
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Dr. Sarmad Hussain
Professor and Head
Center for Language Engineering (www.cle.org.pk)
Al-Khawarizmi Institute of Computer Sciences (www.kics.edu.pk)
University of Engineering and Technology (www.uet.edu.pk)
G.T. Road, Lahore
PAKISTAN
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