[arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report

Wed Nov 30 01:29:27 UTC 2011

Dear Dr. Al-Zoman, 

>>This statements may leads to the fact that the CONTEXT rules is
>>resolving all the issues and concerns regarding the use of ZWNJ. Which
>>is not.
>>So, I added the following statement which is in line with the team's
>>recommendations (hence, I did not list the cons or pros):
>>        "ZWNJ raises a number of problems to be addressed and resolved
>>before it can be adapted at the TLDs."

Ok, understood.  We will add text to clarify this position.

Regards,
Sarmad

>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [mailto:arabic-vip-
>>bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Abdulaziz Al-Zoman
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:18 AM
>>To: Siavash Shahshahani; arabic-vip at icann.org
>>Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report
>>
>>Dear all,
>>The public comments received have major concerns with respect to ZWNJ
>>issue. This means that the ZWNJ issue is very important and risky to
>>the people and community where the responses came from. Hence, the
>>response to their comments should include a text that reassure them
>>about the mitigation of the risk.
>>So I did not re-open the issue.
>>The (original) statement on the report does not reflect the team
>>viewpoint:
>>        "ZWNJ is already a CONTEXT character with rules identified
>>(though they need to be extended as proposed)."
>>This statements may leads to the fact that the CONTEXT rules is
>>resolving all the issues and concerns regarding the use of ZWNJ. Which
>>is not.
>>So, I added the following statement which is in line with the team's
>>recommendations (hence, I did not list the cons or pros):
>>        "ZWNJ raises a number of problems to be addressed and resolved
>>before it can be adapted at the TLDs."
>>
>>The team's recommendation was: "The team recommends that ZWNJ issue
>>should be further investigated through a comprehensive study."
>>
>>
>>
>>-----------------------------
>>عبدالعزيز بن حمد الزومان
>>Abdulaziz H. Al-Zoman
>>
>>________________________________________
>>From: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org] on
>>behalf of Siavash Shahshahani [shahshah at irnic.ir]
>>Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 7:11 AM
>>To: arabic-vip at icann.org
>>Subject: Re: [arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report
>>
>>Dear Baher,
>>I have seen the email. I see no sense in re-opening something we have
>>already discussed when no new issues are raised.
>>Regards,
>>Siavash
>>
>>On 28.11.2011 20:42, Sarmad Hussain wrote:
>>> Re: [arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report
>>>
>>> Thank you for the comment.
>>>
>>> This particular section is discussing requirement of having
>>> additional
>>> rules for code points common/inherited properties as raised by JCK,
>>> and thus listing pros or cons of ZWNJ may digress from the topic.
>>> This has been addressed in an earlier section on ZWNJ more directly.
>>> Also, if we want to list the cons, we should also list the pros, to
>>> keep a balanced view of the issue, though not sure if we need to
>>> document these again, as these are already documented in detail in
>>> the
>>> report.
>>>
>>> Please respond and then we can finalize.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>  Sarmad
>>>
>>> FROM: Baher Esmat [mailto:baher.esmat at icann.org]
>>>  SENT: Monday, November 28, 2011 7:01 PM
>>>  TO: Sarmad Hussain
>>>  SUBJECT: Re: [arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report
>>>
>>> I have not seen any reactions to Dr. Al-Zoman’s comment. Not sure if
>>> that means people are ok with it or they (particularly Behnam and
>>> Siavash) have not seen the email!
>>>
>>>  What do you think?
>>>
>>>  Best,
>>>  Baher
>>>
>>>  On 11/28/11 8:22 AM, "Raed Al-Fayez"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>>  I am attaching Dr.Al-Zoman comments since he was unable to send it
>>> directly to the mailing list.
>>>
>>>  With best regards,
>>>
>>>  Raed I. Al-Fayez
>>>  ------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>  FROM: Abdulaziz Al-Zoman
>>>  SENT: Monday, November 28, 2011 9:20 AM
>>>  TO: 'Sarmad Hussain'; 'arabic-vip at icann.org [4]
>>>  CC: Abdulaziz Al-Zoman
>>>  SUBJECT: RE: [arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report
>>>
>>>  ==== Sorry if you received multiple messages … I experienced a
>>> problem with the email client I'm using ===
>>>
>>>  Dear Dr. Sarmad and all
>>>
>>>  Good report …
>>>
>>>  If you allow me, I would suggest the following:
>>>
>>>  At the end of the report … replace the following statement:
>>>  "ZWNJ is already a CONTEXT character with rules identified (though
>>> they need to be extended as proposed). "
>>>
>>>  With the following text:
>>>  "ZWNJ is already a CONTEXT character with rules identified (though
>>> they need to be extended as proposed). However, it raises a number of
>>> problems to be addressed and resolved (e.g., usability, security,
>>> reachebility problems, as identified in the Arabic Script Variant
>>> Issues Report) so that it can be adapted at the TLDs.
>>>
>>>  -----------------------------
>>>  عبدالعزيز بن حمد الزومان
>>>  Abdulaziz H. Al-Zoman
>>>
>>>  FROM: arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [5]
>>> [mailto:arabic-vip-bounces at icann.org [6]] ON BEHALF OF Sarmad Hussain
>>>  SENT: Monday, November 28, 2011 5:24 AM
>>>  TO: arabic-vip at icann.org [7]
>>>  SUBJECT: [arabic-vip] review of comments to Arabic team report
>>>
>>>  Dear All,
>>>
>>>  Thanks to Baher, who has compiled the attached report documenting
>>> our
>>> rather long and lively discussion on the comments received (almost
>>> three hour call yesterday). We need to submit the response to the
>>> comments later today, so please take a look at them soon and let us
>>> know if you have any further suggestions/feedback.
>>>
>>>  Regards,
>>>  Sarmad
>>>
>>>
>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>  تنويه:
>>>  هذه الرسالة و مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) تمثل
>>> وثيقة سرية قد تحتوي على معلومات تتمتع
>>> بحماية وحصانة قانونية. إذا لم تكن
>>> الشخص المعني بهذه الرسالة يجب عليك
>>> تنبيه المُرسل
>>>  بخطأ وصولها إليك، و حذف الرسالة و
>>> مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) من الحاسب الآلي
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>>> أو مرفقاتها (إن وجدت) أو أي جزئ منها، أو
>>>  البوح بمحتوياتها لأي شخص أو استعمالها
>>> لأي غرض. علماً بأن الإفادات و الآراء
>>> التي تحويها هذه الرسالة تعبر فقط عن
>>> رأي المُرسل و ليس بالضرورة رأي هيئة
>>> الاتصالات و
>>>  تقنية المعلومات، ولا تتحمل الهيئة أي
>>> مسئولية عن الأضرار الناتجة عن هذ
>>> البريد.
>>>
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