[cc-humanrights] ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA (for the list archive)

William Drake wjdrake at gmail.com
Tue Dec 2 08:45:09 UTC 2014 


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> Subject: Re: ICANN and human rights followup to meeting in LA
> From: William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com>
> Date: November 28, 2014 at 10:20:38 AM GMT+1
> Cc: Marilia Maciel <mariliamaciel at gmail.com>, Niels ten Oever <niels at article19.org>, Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak at gmail.com>, Robin Gross <robin at ipjustice.org>, Avri Doria <avri at acm.org>, Thomas Schneider <Thomas.Schneider at bakom.admin.ch>, Joy Liddicoat <joy at apc.org>, Olivier Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com>, "Mark.Carvell at culture.gsi.gov.uk" <Mark.Carvell at culture.gsi.gov.uk>, Olga Cavalli <olgacavalli at gmail.com>, "Nicolas.Rollier at bakom.admin.ch" <Nicolas.Rollier at bakom.admin.ch>, Roy Balleste <rballeste at stu.edu>, "RPEREZGA at minetur.es" <RPEREZGA at minetur.es>, "wolf at eurodig.org" <wolf at eurodig.org>, Lee Hibbard <Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int>, "mallory at apc.org" <mallory at apc.org>, William Drake <william.drake at uzh.ch>
> To: Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
> 
> Hello
> 
> I’m not Ccing mcastanon at rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon at rree.gob.pe> because the address has resulted in endless bounce messages.  I don’t know who this is but could whoever does perhaps communicate that there may be an issue?
> 
> Re: title, bear in mind how it will look on an ICANN program, crammed into a little box.  Also, I don’t think a workshop needs to be labeled as cross community, workshops are presumed to be open to the whole community unless marked with a [C].  Indeed, it doesn’t even need to be labeled a workshop.  Look for ex at Wednesday sessions at http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full <http://la51.icann.org/en/schedule-full>.  And for further finickiness, I’m not sure I’d mention procedures, which could set some minds spinning (are they saying our SO-AC's procedures are problematic in terms of HR?!)  Why not just a simple soft entry like ICANN Human Rights: Continuing the Conversation?  
> 
> Re: mail list, like Marilia I would never presume that by signing a passed around paper people have agreed to have their names added to yet another mail list.  I’d set it up and send a message inviting them to join.
> 
> Re: description, I know we don’t all agree on the appropriate speed here, but personally I would not convey that we (some undefined group) have already determined that ICANNs policies and procedures have an impact of human rights and therefore we are starting a process to formulate a solution.  A lot of the community is still nowhere near being in the tent.  I had two board members pull me aside in LA to say WTF is this human rights thing who are these people this could be a disaster, and I heard various other comments from people in governments and the community that were at a minimum, skeptical and reserved.  So I’d think we want a formulation that isn’t still stuck at square 1 but isn’t already charging up the hill either.  Moreover, I think we’d want to acknowledge some of the push back we have already received about is ICANN the wrong place for this, a few policies might be relevant but most are not, was the report an official statement of collective view by the COE, etc. etc.
> 
> Would this be too weak-kneed for you all?
> 
> There is a growing recognition in parts of the community that some of ICANN’s policies and other actions may have implications for human rights like freedom of expression and the right to privacy.  While ICANN is not the place to negotiate over such rights, it would be advisable on political and other grounds to assess whether our work is fully consistent with internationally agreed human rights laws and policies, and to identify possible methods for addressing any incompatibilities.  To date, these issues have been discussed on a case by case basis. This cross-community workshop will consider options for starting a process that could address them in a more systemic manner.
> 
> The workshop builds on discussions begun in London with the presentation of a report sponsored by the Council of Europe, [1] and continued in LA with the cross-community workshop on ICANN and Human Rights.
> 
> Two cents,
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2014, at 8:36 PM, Stephanie Perrin <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes we made that amply clear, people who did not want their names on tended to not supply them as I recall.
>> cheers Steph
>> On 14-11-27 11:41 AM, Marilia Maciel wrote:
>>> Dear Niels,
>>> 
>>> Thank you for the workshop description. I think that´s exactly what we need. I would go with the shorter title. 
>>> Did we make clear in LA that we would add people who provided their e-mails to a mailing list? If not, maybe it would be better to send a short message asking them to join. People tend to be upset when they are added without consent.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Marília
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 8:21 PM, Niels ten Oever <niels at article19.org <mailto:niels at article19.org>> wrote:
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>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> My first stab at a description for the session:
>>> 
>>> __________
>>> 
>>> Short title: Cross-Community Workshop on human rights and ICANN's
>>> policies and procedures
>>> 
>>> Possible longer title: ICANNs policies and procedures and their impact
>>> on human rights and fundamental freedoms
>>> 
>>> __________
>>> 
>>> ICANNs policies and procedures have an impact of human rights such as
>>> freedom of expression and the right to privacy. These issues are often
>>> discussed on a case by case bases. This workshop aims to discuss how a
>>> process could be started which would try to formulate a more systemic
>>> approach to protect human rights, fundamental freedoms and democratic
>>> values.
>>> 
>>> The workshop will continue the discussion that started with the
>>> presentation of the Council of Europe report [0] in London and the
>>> meeting on ICANN and Human Rights in LA and aims to include voices
>>> from all constituencies.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> [0] http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/icann-and-human-rights.asp <http://www.coe.int/t/informationsociety/icann-and-human-rights.asp>
>>> 
>>> ___________
>>> 
>>> Also Rafik, are you the admin of the mailinglist? Shall I sent an
>>> email announcing the mailing list to the people who signed up for this
>>> in LA ? Or would you like to auto-add them to the mailinglist?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> Niels
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11/24/2014 01:46 PM, Rafik Dammak wrote:
>>> > Hi,
>>> >
>>> > There are 2 things: -securing a room is "logistics" , I can make
>>> > request and give details like room layout, expected number of
>>> > attendees, remote participation but I will need a description for
>>> > session. Glen will help with metimg team - program committee
>>> > concern getting other parts of the community in board e.g.
>>> > registrars and so on
>>> >
>>> > I can do the first, for the second we need to coordinate to avoid
>>> > confusing messages.
>>> >
>>> > Rafik
>>> >
>>> > On Nov 22, 2014 2:59 AM, "Marilia Maciel" <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>
>>> >  <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Steph,
>>> >
>>> > On my mind the request for the room and the actual
>>> > organization/sponsorship of the meeting are two different things.
>>> > The first is just a formality. As Lee confirmed to us, we need to
>>> > anchor it in a community to secure a room. Probably a partnership
>>> > between NCSG/NCUC and CoE is the fastest way forward. As Bill
>>> > highlighted we should get it going.
>>> >
>>> > For the actual planning and shapping of the event I completely
>>> > agree with you. We need to broaden the organizing team. Other
>>> > constituencies, ACs and SOs should take ownership. Maybe some kind
>>> > of joint curation of the program could be a way forward?
>>> >
>>> > Marília
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 3:36 PM, Stephanie Perrin
>>> > <stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>
>>> > <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca <mailto:stephanie.perrin at mail.utoronto.ca>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > WHy not try for a friendly registrar as a partner, like VOlker or
>>> > Michele? or Tucows? or Bladel?  We could also hit up Don Blumenthal
>>> > who is chairing the PPSAI? On 2014-11-21, 12:12, William Drake
>>> > wrote:
>>> >> Hi
>>> >>
>>> >> Nigel’s suggestion strikes me as difficult to move quickly and a
>>> >> potentially a bit of a hard sell, given that most of the GNSO
>>> >> either won’t be up to speed or may be opposed.  But if we want to
>>> >> try that route I suppose Avri could raise it in the GNSO Council
>>> >> and see if all the industry factions suddenly discover a
>>> >> collective desire to have ICANN talking human rights.
>>> >>
>>> >> It’s not obvious to me why this should be necessary though.  NCUC
>>> >> and NCSG have secured meeting space before.  If NCSG were to
>>> >> submit and say this is a joint request with COE and some
>>> >> governments (would help a lot to have one willing to be publicly
>>> >> identified with it) I’d not see how they could argue that it’s
>>> >> not a sufficiently ‘community’ initiative.
>>> >>
>>> >> Bill
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 5:39 PM, HIBBARD Lee <Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int>
>>> >>> <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int <mailto:Lee.HIBBARD at coe.int>>> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi everyone,____ I asked Nigel Hickson for a room and he
>>> >>> suggested that GNSO makes the request. It seems best to attach
>>> >>> it to a community structure – could anyone help?____ Thanks
>>> >>> Lee____ *From:*Marilia Maciel [mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>]
>>> >>> *Sent:*vendredi 21 novembre 2014 17:15 *To:*William Drake
>>> >>> *Cc:*Rafik Dammak; Niels ten Oever; Olivier Crepin-Leblond;
>>> >>> Stephanie Perrin;Mark.Carvell at culture.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:Perrin%3BMark.Carvell at culture.gsi.gov.uk>
>>> >>> <mailto:Mark.Carvell at culture.gsi.gov.uk <mailto:Mark.Carvell at culture.gsi.gov.uk>>;Nicolas.Rollier at bakom.admin.ch <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier at bakom.admin.ch>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier at bakom.admin.ch <mailto:Nicolas.Rollier at bakom.admin.ch>>; Joy
>>> >>> Liddicoat;RPEREZGA at minetur.es <mailto:Liddicoat%3BRPEREZGA at minetur.es> <mailto:RPEREZGA at minetur.es <mailto:RPEREZGA at minetur.es>>;
>>> >>> Thomas Schneider; Avri Doria;wolf at eurodig.org <mailto:Doria%3Bwolf at eurodig.org>
>>> >>> <mailto:wolf at eurodig.org <mailto:wolf at eurodig.org>>;mcastanon at rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon at rree.gob.pe>
>>> >>> <mailto:mcastanon at rree.gob.pe <mailto:mcastanon at rree.gob.pe>>; Roy Balleste; Robin Gross;
>>> >>> HIBBARD Lee; Olga Cavalli;mallory at apc.org <mailto:Cavalli%3Bmallory at apc.org>
>>> >>> <mailto:mallory at apc.org <mailto:mallory at apc.org>> *Subject:*Re: ICANN and human rights
>>> >>> followup to meeting in LA____ __ __ Hi Bill,____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> According to Niels´ notes from our meeting Lee was expected to
>>> >>> book the room. However, I think that in order to avoid any
>>> >>> misunderstanding about the nature of this meeting (re.
>>> >>> confusing with a private/parallel event, as happened in LA) a
>>> >>> community leader should do it. Maybe you or Rafik could help
>>> >>> us? If useful, I volunteer to assist with the follow-up of the
>>> >>> contact with staff if you make the first request and cc
>>> >>> me.____
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best!____ Marília____ __ __ On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 1:26 PM,
>>> >>> William Drake <wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com> <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com <mailto:wjdrake at gmail.com>>>
>>> >>> wrote:____ Hi
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Glad this is moving along. Has anyone made a room request for
>>> >>> Singapore?  There’s going to be quite a lot of pulls on the
>>> >>> scheduling...
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Best
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bill____
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Marilia Maciel
>>> >>> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com> <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>>>
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi Rafik,
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks so much for your work on that. Please convey our
>>> >>>> thanks also
>>> >>> to Glen. I think the name is excellent. CC reinforces that this
>>> >>> is a cross-community effort and we have human rights clearly on
>>> >>> the tittle.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> If everyone agrees, I believe we could proceed with sending
>>> >>> invitations to the people who participated in our meeting in LA
>>> >>> so they will join this list. Once it is working our discussions
>>> >>> will become more inclusive.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> All the best!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Marília
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ____
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --____ *Marília Maciel*____ Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de
>>> >>> Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio____ Researcher and
>>> >>> Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law
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>>> >> *********************************************** William J. Drake
>>> >> International Fellow & Lecturer Media Change & Innovation
>>> >> Division, IPMZ University of Zurich, Switzerland Chair,
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Marília Maciel
>>> Pesquisadora Gestora - Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade - FGV Direito Rio
>>> Researcher and Coordinator - Center for Technology & Society - FGV Law School
>>> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts <http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts>
>>> 
>>> DiploFoundation associate - www.diplomacy.edu <http://www.diplomacy.edu/>
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>>> Subscribe "Digital Rights: Latin America & the Caribbean" - http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en <http://www.digitalrightslac.net/en> 
>>> 
>> 
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> William J. Drake
> International Fellow & Lecturer
>   Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
>   University of Zurich, Switzerland
> Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
>   ICANN, www.ncuc.org <http://www.ncuc.org/>
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> 

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William J. Drake
International Fellow & Lecturer
  Media Change & Innovation Division, IPMZ
  University of Zurich, Switzerland
Chair, Noncommercial Users Constituency, 
  ICANN, www.ncuc.org
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