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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Please find some notes from today’s CCPDP3-RM meeting on 2 June at 20:00 UTC<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">Best regards, Joke<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Welcome and roll call</b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></b></li></ol>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Welcome by Chair Stephen Deerhake</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">The documents were previously circulated and can be found on the wiki:
</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/pwOlCQ"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/x/pwOlCQ</span></a><span style="color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span></b><![endif]><b><span style="color:black">Administrative announcements, if any</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Issue Manager to send email to Council regarding split of part 1 and part 2.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Deadline for Council to react to the separation resolution: 4 June , noon UTC.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Adoption of the policy recommendations at ICANN71. Afterwards to membership for voting</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">WG members invited to reach out to ccTLD community regarding the need to vote. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black;background:white">Voting in the first election round is expected to start on Wednesday, 7 July 2021 (00:01 UTC) and will close on Wednesday, 28 July (23:59 UTC). </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black;background:white">Voting requirements:
</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/resources/pages/governance/bylaws-en/#annexB"><span style="color:#1155CC;background:white">Annex B, Item 13, ICANN Bylaws</span></a><span style="color:black;background:white">:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">One: Documents regarding “binding”. Completed.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span></b><![endif]><b><span style="color:black">Document review (previously circulated last Friday by Bernard and attached)</span></b><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie found legal memos. All included in the documents. Circulated on mailing list,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Any questions? None</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Stephen: any documents that Bernie did not include that you believe are relevant? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">None</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Useful that a WG starts with high level principles to guide the discussion.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">1st paragraph: purpose of the principles. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Based on experience to date: 2 general principles. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Stability, security, interoperability of the DNS. part of the policy remit mission of the ccNSO and the broader mission of ICANN. Hence requirements around the review mechanism. Limited duration = preserve stability
etc. low cost, has to do with accessibility. One of the reasons why IRP would not work. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Fundamental fairness has been raised on several occasions. Eberhard to provide more details. Included as a placeholder.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Patricio: general principles.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">First one comes from what ICANN is supposed to be about. But how is it a general mechanism for the RM? Both covered by predictability and legitimacy of process. Why is the 1st needed for the RM? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bart: Clarity around role of the ccTLD operator. Legalese way of looking at it. Having an undisputed delegation preserve the stability of the DNS? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">What is the objection of including it?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Patricio: the need for a RM preserves stability. But this group discusses how the RM should look like. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: outline the need for limited duration as a minimum</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: what are the timelines for delegation, transfer etc?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Kim D.: depends.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: duration helps wit the predictability</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: IF the predictable time for a review is in years it is predictable but it is not good for stability and security - at least for me</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Maarten: should binding be a specific principle? Or perhaps the value of the outcome</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: fall under predictability?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bart: We captured the principles to date. We need to review the documentation that Bernie found around binding. Full discussion about this, also with Sam Eisner. Then re-visit this document. See how binding could
impact.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Patricio: On the other hand,I have no objections to the Specific Principles, which are the specs for our product</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bernie: written question(s) to be prepared for icann legal regarding binding. Written answer to be expected back from them. Various actions which we need to get through to determine the approach.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">45 min for ccPDP3</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Next 45 min for ccPDP4</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">How much time does this group expect to need to present questions and/or progress?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Update webinar in April, to the GAC. not as much progress made as hoped. We can list the topics, but not really asking feedback from the community, as PDP4 does. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Given the need to inform the community, especially ccTLD community about the upcoming vote, leadership to spend some time to explain the retirement recommendations again.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Condensed set of slides used in the April webinar. Core discussion points. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Stephen: ccPDP4 might need more time. ccPDP-RM does not need much time. But we face a challenge regarding the ccPDP3-RET upcoming elections. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: I would like that every action by one side triggers a clock for the other side to respond.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="color:black"> </span></b><span style="color:black">Proposed slide deck on mailing list shortly</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Concern about the documents sent by Bernie. How to proceed with questions and discussions ?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Limited group looks at it and discusses with the full group? Or full group does the initial examination?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Call for volunteers online. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Leadership and staff come up with a path forward to put together a small group. Next meeting is on 7 July, so there is time to prepare ahead of time.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Policy Session at ICANN71 | 16 June 10:30-12:00 UTC<br>
7 July | 20:00 UTC</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Patricio: icann org off for 3 weeks in august. Should we have meetings in August?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">joke.braeken@icann.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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