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<p align="center" style="margin:0cm;text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:16.0pt;color:black">NOTES | ccPDP3-RM | 21 July 2021 (20:00 UTC)</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Welcome and roll call<o:p></o:p></b></li></ol>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Welcome by Chair Stephen Deerhake.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Reminder about the ongoing elections regarding ccPDP3-RM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">See: </span><a href="https://ccnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-06jul21-en.htm"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://ccnso.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-06jul21-en.htm</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Remember to vote, in case your ccTLD has not yet voted.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Thanks to the RO’s for spreading the word. Additional votes needed though.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Topic cluster number 4: Fundamental Fairness</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Led by Eberhard Lisse, who shares a slide deck.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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No opinion regarding guilt or innocence.<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<span style="color:black">(example: Bill Cosby)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Legitimate expectation<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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US supreme court<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Natural justice (duty to act fairly)<o:p></o:p>
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Rule against bias<o:p></o:p></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l10 level2 lfo9;vertical-align:baseline">
Right to fair hearing<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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Food for thought<o:p></o:p></li></ul>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Nigel: interested in whether icann should / wants to / will abide by natural justice.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">We are all icann. We want this situation where the system is compliant with the rule of law and abides by the principle of natural justice</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: self affected by principles of natural justice</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Fair process. Rational. That is what we want.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Rationale by icann board is usually boilerplate. Expects that decisions are rational, based on facts, RFC591 as interpreted on FOI. processes: same. We need to define what binding is.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Stephen: Do we want to re-engage with icann legal? First discuss some additional clusters.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Bart: fundamental fairness was one of the principles that needed to be fleshed out. Those elements to be recorded in the principles doc. First step would be to re-engage icann legal once the group has a clear
view on the question of binding. Our next meeting will be an internal discussion on binding, and how we approach this, as prepared by the small group. Group first needs to be clear on what it wants in terms of feedback from icann legal in terms of binding</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Eberhard: pity Nick and Maarten are not on the call today.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Stephen: We never do anything just once. We have an opportunity to re-engage with them later.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">4 August 2021 (20 UTC) - topic cluster 1</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">18 August 2021 TBC? Poll results with only 10% answered yes.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="color:black">Thank you all. Bye. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Joke Braeken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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