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<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">NOTES | ccPDP Review Mechanism Working Group teleconference</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">13 October 2021 at 20:00 UTC</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> </span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Welcome <o:p></o:p></span></b></li></ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Welcome by chair Stephen</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span></b><![endif]><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Administrative matters <o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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</span></span></span></b><![endif]><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Action items<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Only action item was to send the note to icann legal.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span></i></b><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Email to ICANN legal questions <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Icann legal confirmed receipt. No information yet on when we may expect to receive feedback. Hopefully by the end of the year.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: we did ask ICANN legal for feedback regarding the timeframe. Hopeful to hear back by the end of the year.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span></i></b><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">ccNSO-Board meeting: introducing Retirement Policy and rationale for the policy, Q&A<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Joint session: ccNSO COUNCIL & ICANN BOARD </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Thursday, 28 October 2021 | 16:00-17:00 UTC</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:justify;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#172B4D;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">ccNSO topics:</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">ccNSO recommended policy on the retirement of ccTLDs: introduction of the policy, its scope, why we believe it is needed. In preparation of a possible implementation process: what are the
next steps from a Board perspective, and how does the roadmap look like? <o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#172B4D;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo6;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">change of Article 10 and Annex B of the ICANN Bylaws to allow the inclusion of interested IDN ccTLD Managers in the ccNSO: what are the next steps of the process?<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:#172B4D;mso-list:l8 level1 lfo6;background:white;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">At the end of ICANN72, Nigel Roberts will be stepping down as member of the ICANN BoD. What are Nigel's views on his years on the Board, the relation between ICANN and the ccTLD community
in general, and the ICANN Board and ccNSO specifically?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#172B4D;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"> ICANN Board topic:</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">how to efficiently identify and work more closely with governments globally, as well as educate, train and interact when it comes to geopolitical issues relating to ICANN’s mission<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Patricio: no information yet</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Update by Bernard. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Posted last week.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A1A26;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">IFO/PTI complaint procedure => non-binding review => binding review</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A1A26;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Non binding: simplified procedures, with reduced costs. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1A1A26;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Agreed at the last meeting to have an interim step: non binding review</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Summary: we need to work on a non-binding review, while we wait for icann’s feedback regarding our questions on binding</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: great idea to insert the non-binding mechanism. If the non-binding resolution resolves the matter for the ccTLD manager, and IFO agrees, it is
sorted.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: indeed. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Review Mechanism for IFO decisions that meets most requirements of the ccPDP3-RM, except for being binding on ICANN</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard introduces a summary of the proposed objectives.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> administrative objectives</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: 10.000 USD is not low cost</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Maarten: with regard to the mandate. This is what we are supposed to do. But there is no room to discuss if the process was fair or followed correctly?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: Regardless of what the process is, did it meet this requirement? Good point. Are the rules being applied fairly? Will take note.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter: if (big if) pain is the measure, then there won’t be a one-size-fits-all. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: figure is too high. Should be painful, but not overwhelming</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter: maybe we can postpone (read: exclude from the “reading”) the fee structure, if any</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: similar to the financial contributions</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: does the general framework make sense?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Maarten: 3 panelists, costs of administration. Difficult matter to solve.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Barnard: if this is expensive, arbitration is often a significant other step.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Patricio Poblete to Everyone (22:25)</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Another reference point at the other rend is the cost of a UDRP case</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard Lisse to Everyone (22:26)</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">In Germany they have something called “Prozesskostenhilfe”, with a means test and a test of at least some prospects of success.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter Koch to Everyone (22:27)</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">In Germany we have tax payers who will bear the cost …</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard Lisse to Everyone (22:27)</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">The latter will be very difficult and add another layer, so I am not particularly advocating this.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">But, the point is it is not only for Criminal cases</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Yes, Peter, and ICANN has Auction Proceeds. And, we are doing this for the ccTLDs not ICANN</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Stephen Deerhake to Everyone (22:29)</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">New gTLD Auction proceeds should not be considered here in my view...</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter Koch to Everyone (22:30)</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">_my_ point was that in the PKH case it’s wenn defined where the money will come from, in the issue under discussion we’re pushing around virtual and real
cost</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">s/wenn/well/</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> the administrator</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">No comments by the group</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> the panel</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Subject matter experts, not lawyers.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Nick: no new material late in the process, not fair on those who made the original decision. Good rule to have. But sometimes it is fair for new material
to be introduced.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">In the details of these rules, it needs to be lawyered over. Proper review, independently done, de novo, in all our interests. Details. It will cost something.
At least 10.000</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Quick. Speedy process. Lightweight. There is a bar below which you cannot go. Access to justice and costs is not a new issue. Every jurisdiction has solutions.
E.g. legal aids from public funds, reimbursement etc. people should not be incentivised to bring cases that do not have merit. Small new registries with little funds should not be barred. There are ways to deal with it. This is an edge case, let this not distract
us. It will costly</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: no additional material at all is not a good bar. But there are ways to limit things. In terms of cost. The cost is reasonable. How we attribute
the costs is something we need to look at</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: defer frivolous cases: agree with that. But we cannot put in technicalities at a very early stage, and leave it up to a board to determine whether
they accept the case or not. Not fair to small cctld managers</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> IFO</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Kim: My only thought on the first reading of the IFO section that may want to be addressed is the expected confidentiality or lack thereof of all or part
of the panel’s findings.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> The plaintiff</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">who selects the slate from which panelists can be selected, if any. I would have no issue if the 3rd panelist came from a slate<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">it currently says that non ccnso members cannot use the mechanism. We must find a way around this<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="color:black;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo10;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">How to define publishing decisions?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Nick: There should be an attest, the plaintiff needs to be someone who is adversely impacted by the decision of the IFO. e.g. applicant for a new country
code ? not necessarily a ccTLD manager?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: At the start of WG, we said that this was for ccTLD managers. We do this for ccTLDs, for ccTLD managers. Delegation of a new ccTLD: there is a
possibility that the applicant is not a ccTLD operator. Only exceptions. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Nick: You need at least 90 days after resolving the internal decision. 30 days is too short.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: This is a draft. If someone argues a case in a delegation, you prevent a ccTLD from getting a delegation.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: 45 days, ifo can always remind in the decision, about the time to apply for an independent review.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Kim: the timelines are for the community to decide. Note that there is an SLA. currently 21 days. For awareness.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: see previous section. Some procedures are impacted, such as SLA.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: We should not prevent anyone from taking icann or ccnso to court.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: independent advice review only. Simply about this process. You do not want a disgruntled applicant to take a review process to court, or the ccNSO. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: ccnso as legal entity does not exist. Part of icann</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Go to the original decision maker. Fine. make this clear</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard provides a summary: Costs were raised. suggestions by Eberhard that are interesting. Reality-check by Nick: total costs not under 10.000. To be
looked into.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter: Is this a first reading?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard: no, just a first draft of a working document</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Agenda mentions 2nd reading. This is the 2nd reading of having a mechanism. But just a very first draft of the proposed mechanism</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">We do not have to create the mechanism, but when we do, we need to keep in mind it is workable and affordable to all.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernard will review comments raised, and will suggest edits to the document presented today.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: fair and reasonable. For ccTLD managers. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">10 November, same time.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter: Are we keeping the 20 UTC time (end of DST in the northern hemisphere)?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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a proposal for 10 november at 20 UTC on the mailing list. Should anybody have issues, people to raise this on mailing list</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Thank you all.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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