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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">NOTES | ccPDP Review Mechanism Working Group | 10 November 2021 (20:00 UTC)</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">1. Welcome</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Welcome by Chair Stephen Deerhake</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">2. Administrative matters</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Stephen referred to the upcoming public comment regarding ccPDP3-RET</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie produced a next version of the document</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">3. Non-binding mechanism document (continue)</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Comments from the previous call, and Eberhard’s comments to the list, after the call, were integrated in the document.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">BT3: broken up in 2 bullets. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">BT4: reasonable</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Stephen: any comments on this?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: can live with the “who pays” mechanism</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: plaintiff section. Administrator can accept or refuse. Rightful concern raised by Eberhard.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Allan: comment regarding “the administrator”</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Some issues. E.g. notion of “not conflicted”</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">A former cTLD manager could qualify? If so, we need to clarify it. That person could be conflicted.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Where the administrator takes a decision to take a case, would the applicant think the administrative decision was not just?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: fairly standard in all administration panel to have this function. Not meant to bar someone that had been a ccTLD manager. Clear how that goes. As for the appeal:
we will need to talk about it. Do we want to have an appeal? Binary conditions: in that case there is no point. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: not sure about the non-conflict. Appeal to appeal: proportions. If we write down what this means. Administrator does not judge substance.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: clearly defined set of binary positions. No grey zone. The elements will be public too.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">BT6</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: in line with previous point</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> The IFO</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: how will people know? Will the iana post preliminary decisions? Some of these things are very sensitive. New text in red. More conservative suggestion. Only the
people concerned can appeal. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">>>> The plaintiff</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: affects ccnso members and non members alike.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Kim: not sure why a new ccTLD delegation would be a unique situation in this regard. Do those that have received a negative decision by iana are eligible?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: current situation ongoing. Everyone can apply for a transfer. It is about decisions that affect ccTLD managers. Third parties must take other paths.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: spreadsheet. Transfer: we agreed that on a consented transfer the current manager is agreeing. The current process has standing to appeal. The party that was
supposed to receive the transfer does not have standing. In case of a new delegation, there is no cctld manager</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Kim: if certain appeals are excluded, please make this explicit</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: this is called consolidation. The rules: long, or even longer than the policy we talk about here. Lots of details and issues. Bernie proposes to remove that issue.
Only applies in 1 case. He will propose some text, for discussion at the next meeting</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">See first bullet IFO. IFO communicating with all concerned parties. Plaintiff may only apply etc.. </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">That does not concord. Will need to be adjusted. See lower in doc. Draft on what that meant.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Peter: maybe not, the panel could just decide the decision to delegate to A was wrong and refer back to the process without actually picking a “winner”</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: top of doc. Preliminary decisions. RFC1591. By defining things properly, i see no issue</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bart: See also the underlying issue paper ( referenced in the Charter): Standing at review mechanism</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">1. Who will have standing at a review mechanism?</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Some members in the community argue that only the [incumbent] ccTLD manager should have standing. Others have argued, at least raised, the point that potentially other
parties should have standing, in particular parties with a significant interest.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">As noted above, according RFC 1591 the Internet DNS Names Review Board (IDNB), a committee established by the IANA, will act as a review panel for cases in which the
parties [emphasis added] can not reach agreement among themselves. The IDNB’s decisions will be binding. This seem to imply that others then the ccTLD manager may have standing.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">BT10</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bernie: the text was clear enough. But new text is proposed to clarify what Eberhard was commenting on</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: In that I find myself rereading the Charter and find that an interpretation inserted by the Issue Manager with regards to Significantly Interested Parties is
not acceptable</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Raises concerns that might oblige him to resign</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Stephen suggests to take it offline and discuss</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Bart: I am sorry this was the charter as adopted by the Council and referenced with the call for volunteers and included in the Issue Manager</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Eberhard: Whether it was accepted by Council, and/ir eferenced in a call for volunteers does not matter to me, as it is wrong, and hence must be corrected.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">BT11</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Proposed text in new version.</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">5. AOB</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">none</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">6. Next meetings</span></b><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">24 November</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black;background:white;mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Thank you all. Bye</span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">Joke Braeken<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">ccNSO Policy Advisor
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="mso-fareast-language:EN-GB">joke.braeken@icann.org<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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