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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">NOTES | ccPDP3 Review Mechanism | 9 February 2022 | 20:00 UTC</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">1. Welcome</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Wiki:
</span><a href="https://community.icann.org/x/zAEiCw"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">https://community.icann.org/x/zAEiCw</span></a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Welcome by Chair Stephen Deerhake</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">2. Administrative matters</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Meeting cadence and timing<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen suggests meeting on a weekly basis, for 60 min.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Re-visit at the next meeting. Some green ticks, one red.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Call timing. Preference to moving it to 19:00 UTC?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kim: please consider daylights saving time</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie: DST change is scheduled for Sunday March 13 2AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Kim: .. in North America. March 27 in Europe, and various other days in other regions and hemispheres</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: revisit after ICANN73? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Letter from GAC to ICANN Board (retirement policy) <o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">The GAC has provided its opinion on the ccNSO PDP Retirement to the ICANN Board of Directors.
</span><a href="https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/ismail-to-botterman-31jan22-en.pdf"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">https://www.icann.org/en/system/files/correspondence/ismail-to-botterman-31jan22-en.pdf</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">GAC thanks the WG for keeping them updated. Despite the lack of participation. This helped them to come to their conclusion that there is no issue from a public policy point of view. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen suggests doing the same for ccPDP3-RM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Staff report:
</span><a href="https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/country-code-top-level-domains-cc-tlds/ccnso-proposed-policy-retirement-cctlds-pcp-summary-report-02-02-2022-en.pdf"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#1155CC">https://itp.cdn.icann.org/en/files/country-code-top-level-domains-cc-tlds/ccnso-proposed-policy-retirement-cctlds-pcp-summary-report-02-02-2022-en.pdf</span></a><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Update questions to ICANN Legal regarding binding<o:p></o:p></span></i></b></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">No timing yet for a response.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">What happens if the protagonists cannot agree? We do have clear authority as the ccNSO for developing binding policy for PTI, subject to the board’s approval.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><b><i><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">ICANN-IANA Contract (Article VIII Escalation Mechanism) (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/pti.icann.org/agreements__;!!PtGJab4!qmMJkloxige5sLIyzRlOB7vQahxnYvNbRDoHx_eOvkpIzwzxJsO0Y4yUt2Zh1K0X2cGTGBAz$"><span style="color:#1155CC">https://pti.icann.org/agreements
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">PTI contract clause. Section 8</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">3. Finalize: Non-binding mechanism document - attached</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Allan: We have to engage with the GAC. proposing a policy that would be acceptable to the community at large. Concerned that if we keep a very narrow list of who has standing, we
hit a brick wall. We should engage with the GAC o whether the gvt should have standing, and try to solve this</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Eberhard: under no circumstances. Review mechanism for contending parties. Fundamentally opposed to engaging. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen: GAC stepping back. In this process we will end up in a similar situation with respect to the retirement policy. Get their ok at the end without their active participation.
We solicit active participation. They do not provide it. They are happy with our updates</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Eberhard: We will brief them. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: question for Allan. Explain why they need to have standing in all cases identified? Delegation, transfers, retirement and revocation? And why the gvt, and not other parties
in the SIP? Ifo decision is focusing on ccTLDs, not on SIP. There are other escalation procedures available to them. Why should gvt have standing? And why in all 4 cases?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Allan: concerned about getting in a debate with GAC at the end on the standing. Intervention to engage with them early on, so they are surprised at the end. That is the only concern.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Surprised about all reviews on the ccPDP3-RET. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: see highlighted sections. PTI-IANA contract complaint procedure, and built on that the mediation, restricted to the direct customers of the iana naming function. Reiterates
that argument. Would this text come down that path to explain why it should be limited?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Allan: it is a start. There are many gvts that believe that they appoint the ccTLD manager. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Mechanism in which they have no role. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: WG is aware of direction of travel, and does have a role in the choices they made. Once this goes into public comment, whoever is opposed will react. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen: GAC did not comment during the initial comment period. But they did during the PC offered by the Board under the bylaws. With proper informative updates from ccNSO to GAC,
we would likely get a similar result from them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Eberhard: gvt legislate. We have asked them often to send someone.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Patricio: if IFO discards a complaint, the complainant could try to use this process, and then find out they have no standing. Our rationale: we are finding the legitimacy of all
of this in RFC1591. Does not foresee complaint for failed revocation</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: go through the PTI and IANA contract again, because there is this complaint procedure. Not sure when/if non-direct customers may use this. Going back to RFC1591, the policy
could replace parts of it, if you decide so. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie: proposes to remove the yellow from draft text for now. As we do presentations, and issues come up, we will deal with them</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Eberhard: just use mediation process. Icann proposes 5 mendiators. Does not work? Appoint another 5. Likes that icann pays the costs. Mediation of the iana function contract. For
a proper review, you must go through the mediation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie: next meeting. does mediation replace the non-binding process here?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: we have a nice way to at least get to the icann board. Iana functions contract is not at stage of this kind of review. The type of decisions this panel could take, is different
from the mediation process. Overcome the differences between PTI and the direct customer.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">By next meeting Bernie and Bart will provide overview, so we can compare the 2. Use this for the time being as a way forward for the discussion with icann legal on binding. We started
this as a mechanism based on arbitration, with exception of binding, but well beyond mediation. Discussion with icann legal.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen: yes, proceed</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie: binary decisions. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Question for Eberhard: still of the opinion that impartiality requirement is not required?… 3 options. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Administrator needs to be impartial by definition. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">A jointly appointed single arbitrator. <o:p></o:p></span></li><li style="color:black;margin-top:0cm;margin-bottom:0cm;mso-list:l4 level1 lfo5;vertical-align:baseline">
<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Or 3 arbitrators.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Eberhard: likes the single arbitrator. No 3-person panel. We can revisit the next step</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">For non-binding, likes the icann contract. Especially how the arbitrator is chosen, and that icann pays.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie: remove option 3 (3 arbitrators). Any objections?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: why not keep option 1 or 3, and leave this up to the manager?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nick: UDRP. unnecessary complexity. Risk of making it complicated.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: We cannot decide on what the complainant wants. 1 person? Set up possibly for failure</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Nick: does not like that someone with more money can buy a better judgment</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bernie: will remove the yellow block for now since there is no agreement</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">4. Next meetings</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span></b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">23 February</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> 16 or 23 March (ICANN73 7-10 March)</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen: prefers to meet on 16th March</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Bart: Normally we skip the meeting afterwards. Advises to go for 23 March.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Stephen: ok</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><b><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">6. Closure</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> Thank you all. Bye!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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