[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat for CCWG Auction Proceeds call on Thursday, 09 February 2017 at 15:00 UTC

Michelle DeSmyter michelle.desmyter at icann.org
Thu Feb 9 19:47:06 UTC 2017

Dear all,

Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the CCWG Auction Proceeds call held on Thursday, 09 February 2017 at 15:00 UTC.

Mp3:   http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-09feb17-en.mp3<http://audio.icann.org/gnso/gnso-new-gtld-auction-proceeds-09feb17-en.mp3[mailer.samanage.com]>

The recordings and transcriptions of the calls are posted on the GNSO Master Calendar page:


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Michelle DeSmyter


Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 09 February 2017

 Michelle DeSmyter:Dear all, welcome to the New gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG call on Thursday 09 February 2017
  Stephanie Perrin:Have I miscalculated the time?    Must be so....
  Stephanie Perrin:See you later!
  Marika Konings:Please note that this call is scheduled for 15.00 UTC.
  Ahmed Bakht:Thanks Michelle, probably still 30 minutes left for the meeting
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:hi michelle can I test my mic and see if it works?
  Michelle DeSmyter:Hi there Olga - yes, one mometn
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:sure
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:I can hear you can you hear me?
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:perfect thanks!
  Marika Konings:@Olga, no we cannot hear you
  Marika Konings:Have you joined by telephone or via Adobe Connect?
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:adobe but I have a mic which does not work, will change computers no worries
  Michelle DeSmyter:sounds good
  Michelle DeSmyter:please let me know if you need a dial out from the operator, we can certainly do that as well
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina:thanks will try with the other computer
  Julf Helsingius:Good afternoon. Sounds like someone has mic on...
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:Hi every one
  Asha Hemrajani:Good evening
  Becky Burr:Hello all
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina 2:someone is typing....
  Evan Leibovitch:yes
  Dietmar Stefitz:Hi to all
  Michael Flemming:Is there sound?
  Mei Lin Fung:I could not access the charter questions - CCWG input on charter questions – see https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1QN7zarCr2c2BVv3pfa6Z5O10pDcgHSIQ5Q3CBdX2WE-5Bdocs.google.com-5D&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Au-ff33V2J7i91M4Y8d7_0kTx-RIVTCdSp_7TqtCGmE&s=IQ4duvT-rDbhILIBl6kxrqNBrJ_vqIvlOoeM4lcp0JQ&e=
  Michael Flemming:Volume very low
  elliot noss:australia 5 numbers, UK 5 numbers, france 3 numbers, canada 0. the 51st state!
  Julf Helsingius:volume fine here
  Michael Flemming:My volume was low.
  Michael Flemming:Sorry
  Marika Konings:@Mei - the document was also circulated in Word format, so please feel free to add your input to that version.
  Asha Hemrajani:I cannot hear anything
  Evan Leibovitch:audio fine here
  Julf Helsingius:fine here too
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina 2:audio ok here
  Asha Hemrajani:Ok audio back for me
  Manal Ismail:Can't hear anything, is it only me?
  Michelle DeSmyter:Manal, I will private message you
  Tony Harris:Meetings should not coincide with GNSO Council Meetinga
  Stephanie Perrin:+1 Tony
  John Levine:People in Copenhagen will talk about this whether or not there is an official meeting.
  John Levine:So we might as well get a room with microphones so people can tell what we're talking about.
  Waudo:Can we coincide the (copenhagen)  f2f with te=he normal fortnightly meeting - if there is remote facilities available
  John Levine:Yes, there was a doogle poll
  Marika Konings:The poll is available here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__icannorg.beta.doodle.com_poll_7t7xhkvfa4wicr7g&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Au-ff33V2J7i91M4Y8d7_0kTx-RIVTCdSp_7TqtCGmE&s=ZwMp3YmC8LWnQJx74cr2Neo8_OnhpAk0Gsci3KBP5A8&e= )
  Evan Leibovitch:But let's not kid ourselves.... regardless of whether the meetings at ICANN events are official or social,
  Evan Leibovitch:those who cannot be there are compromised.
  Marika Konings:please note that for any official meetings, remote participation facilities are available.
  Evan Leibovitch:For the social events too?
  Marika Konings:and as always, any notes / action items will be communicated on the mailing list allowing for everyone to weigh in (similar to when someone may miss a 'normal' meeting)
  Marika Konings:@Evan - unless someone who is at the bar dials you in and buys you a remote drink, I'm afraid not ;-)
  Julf Helsingius:We do need that internet remote drink protocol
  Marika Konings:As the ICANN meeting in Johannesburg is the policy forum and only 4 days, it may not be possible to schedule a meeting for this CCWG, but it will depend on the priorities that SO/ACs identify for that meeting.
  Waudo:is there budget for external expertise?
  vanda:sorry delay, problems with internet. ready now I hope
  Waudo:can teh presentatio be done remotely?
  Marika Konings:@Waudo - the idea is that the CCWG would identify what resources, if any, are needed as part of the development of the work plan so it can then be determined what funds may be needed (and whether those can be found in the current budget allocation or whether a specific request needs to be made)
  matthew shears:Given experience in CCWG Accountability its essential to be absolutely clear  about what we want from external advisors - otherwise costs mount rapidly
  matthew shears:has there been any attempt to identify best practices out there - examples we may be able to look to?
  matthew shears:apologies if this has already been done
  elliot noss:+1 to that jonathan
  Nadira ALARAJ:@elliot, does the ccTLD experince documented?
  elliot noss:.ca!
  elliot noss:forgotten not only with toll-frees, but also with cc experience :-)
  Nadira ALARAJ:Aha thanks
  Samantha Eisner:Thanks Elliot.  With the revisions made to the Mission through the CCWG-Accountability, we now have a bit of a different way that we discuss the mission.  We can look at the CCWG-Accountability materials and see if there is some helpful language in there to help frame the mission constraints as the group is kicking off and before a fuller conversation
  elliot noss:and I just referenced it! haha
  elliot noss:@samantha, thanks. interesting note
  Alan Greenberg:I have no idea of magnitude of ccTLD activities in this area, but suspect it might be 1-2 orders of magnitude smaller, at least on an annual or multi-year basis.
  elliot noss:@alan, it is. you are correct
  Tony Harris:One essential consideration is how the funded inititiatives are to be evaluated
  Marika Konings:The presentations provided by some ccTLDs during a previous workshop can be found here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_-5FYU0Aw&d=DwIFaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=Au-ff33V2J7i91M4Y8d7_0kTx-RIVTCdSp_7TqtCGmE&s=Fzl1z9Wj7Wyts2GCwDQNriBbaa6xgvYSKI4HG0LGTVg&e=
  Marika Konings:I will also post these on the WG wiki
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:Thanks Marika
  Nadira ALARAJ:Thanks Marika
  elliot noss:handling costs? I would love to hear more
  Alan Greenberg:@Tony, yes, evaluation is a very critical component. Necessary and yet must not end up being a major use of the funds.
  Tony Harris:The European Commission had a funding round 11 years ago known as @lis and that might serve as a matrix
  Nadira ALARAJ:That would good to invite expertise to the group on topic basis
  Julf Helsingius:Erika Mann has experience with the Gates Foundation, I think. My experience with them is indirect.
  Mei Lin Fung:+1 Alan Greenberg
  Becky Burr:There are folks who know how to do this on a "one shot" basis.  The broadband initiative at the beginning of the Obama administration as part of the economic recovery act is a good example.
  Becky Burr:The woman who ran that grant program has now retired but would likely be willing to share her experience
  Evan Leibovitch:I have direct experience with the World Bank's acting as an evaluaton mechanism to implement funding program criteria on behalf of foundations.
  Nasrat Khalid:My mic seems to be having issues. Apologies about that.
  Mei Lin Fung:Thank you Marika
  Alan Greenberg:To put this in perspective, the Gates foundation has assets in the order of $37b and annually gives out several billion.
  Nasrat Khalid:I just wanted to know if we have looked in to the development sector. The likes of the World Bank (My employer) but smaller scale organisations do work in the development sector that disburse such amount of funds on a regular basis.
  Evan Leibovitch:Nasrat, the WB (maybe different sections) has engaged in this themselves.
  Waudo:it seems a thin line between working on teh "mechanism"and considering the actual recipients
  Asha Hemrajani:Perhaps best to look for external experts/advice first from sectors or organizations who are doling out funds in the same ballpark as our fund (~$200 to $300 million)
  Alan Greenberg:@Asha, yes, and preferably in technology area.
  Asha Hemrajani:Yes couldn't agree more Alan
  Becky Burr:I beg to differ.  ICANN's Mission is enumerated, and anything not enumaterated is outside the Mission
  Asha Hemrajani:+1 Becky
  elliot noss:could anyone who knows who is speaking from phone not chat please put a 1-line statement in chat?
  elliot noss:ie. "speaking is fred flintstone from the gates foundation"
  Julf Helsingius:I agree with Becky
  Marika Konings:@Elliot - speaking before was Mark Grauw from .NL
  Marika Konings:sorry, Marc Gauw
  elliot noss:@marika thanks! on cell it can be tough sometimes and when they are not on adobe connect we can't look on our own
  Mei Lin Fung:+1 agree with Jonathan's proposal that if CC's want to engage, they send a participant
  Dietmar Stefitz:+1
  Marika Konings:so far everyone that has responded to the poll has indicated that they are able to participate in person or remotely
  Marika Konings:yes, correct, that is foreseen :-)
  Alan Greenberg:Hopefully Sam is available on 2nd March.
  Marika Konings:To activate your microphone, please click the telephone sign at the top of the AC pod
  Mei Lin Fung:mic not working
  Marika Konings:or if we can get you a dial-out, please let us know.
  Mei Lin Fung:I will post my comment in chat here
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina 2:agrree with Alan!
  Stephanie Perrin:+ 1 Alan.
  Peter Vergote (ccNSO):+1 Alan
  Mei Lin Fung:I'm with the People Centered Internet and vice chair for Internet inclusion at IEEE - in addition to the auction proceeds, may we consider tracking mechanisms to understand if the money has achieved the outcomes desired? T use the internet in being a model for competent use of funds for the purpose agreed to - and to phase fund outlays based on achievements in prior phases
  Mei Lin Fung:This could be a great contribution by being a model for tracking in Internet time, and getting input from those who are supposed to be the beneficiaries by video and crowdsource feedback
  matthew shears:+ 1 - typically those seeking fundng and successfu have toi account for how they used those funds
  Julf Helsingius:I echo Mei Lin Fungs concern about tracking and following up on results
  Mei Lin Fung:We want to go beyond typical - we are ICANN - we made possible the Internet - should we not steward the use of the Internet for all?
  Asha Hemrajani:All please note that we we have not budgeted for f2f meetings for this group at all in FY18 budget
  matthew shears:that unfortunate
  Marika Konings:Special budget requests are due by Friday - but these need to come from an SO/AC
  Dietmar Stefitz:I can set you up a Samll Conference like this for a ver Low Cost !
  Stephanie Perrin:Governments have lots of experience in metrics regarding dispersal of funds.  There are best practice models available; we should use them.
  Jon Nevett:Should a f2f of this group be funded from FY18 budget or from the auction proceeds?
  Mei Lin Fung:The Singapore Government Investment Corp has highly effective tracking
  Asha Hemrajani:Indeed Mei Lin :-)
  Dietmar Stefitz:These fudns can even come from teh Auction proceeds by itself, as did teh fees for other things
  Marika Konings:Maybe the CCWG should first need to consider its timeline and expected milestones to determine whether a F2F is even needed to deliber on those. Note that most ICANN WGs do all their work through weekly / bi-weekly meetings.
  Alan Greenberg:I think that is a discussion we could have, and have quickly. It would be good to hav from staff what the costs of a F at F meeting would be.
  Mei Lin Fung:Jonathan - can you read out my input from the chat above?
  Marika Konings:There is no external deadline which has been the reason why some other initiatives have had F2F meetings outside of an ICANN meeting
  Mei Lin Fung:Due to my problem with mic
  Mei Lin Fung:I wish to raise the point that this group consider effective tracking
  Asha Hemrajani:Sebastien is correct, budget requests can be made but these need to come from an SO/AC
  Alan Greenberg:ASha OR through the Public Comment process.
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:@ Marika: My mic is also not working. What are the time lines for auction
  Dietmar Stefitz:I agree with Sebastian !
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:+1
  Marika Konings:@Ahmed - there is no deadline.
  Marika Konings:It is up to the CCWG to set its schedule
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:Ok thanks
  Mei Lin Fung:Thank you Jonathan for appropriately representing the point I raised
  Dietmar Stefitz:I think there si no Problem, to get teh money out of the fund
  Marika Konings:ball park figure is 100,000 $ I believe
  Dietmar Stefitz:that's a real good figure Marika
  Marika Konings:but obvously it all depends on location, attendees, # of days, etc.
  Xavier Calvez:Correct Mariak. Based on the CCWG Accountability experience.
  Dietmar Stefitz:Low Cost flights for all!
  Becky Burr:But the point of this group is to develop recommendations about how to use the auction proceeds for consideration by SO/ACs
  Becky Burr:don't really think we have authority to actually cause the funds to be spent, for example, on f2f meetings
  Stephanie Perrin:+1 Becky
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:To reduce travel cost, F2F meetings can be done in conjuction with ICANN meetings, two / three days before or earlier
  Mei Lin Fung:Thank you Jonathan
  Peter Vergote (ccNSO):Agree to that Becky. We should focus on workplan and milestones first!
  Mei Lin Fung:for your good service as Co-chair and running this meeting
  Olga Cavalli - GAC Argentina 2:Thanks Jonathan!!
  Nadira ALARAJ:+1 for Becky's
  Xavier Calvez:But it needs to be determined yet whether funding of travel to participants of this group is provided.
  elliot noss:thanks. bye all
  Nadira ALARAJ:Thank you
  Dietmar Stefitz:Thank you Jonathan
  bverd (RSSAC):thank you
  Julf Helsingius:thanks
  Ahmed Bakht Masood:Bye all
  Peter Vergote (ccNSO):Txs everyone. CU later

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