[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] Mp3, Attendance & AC Chat from CCWG Auction Proceeds call on Thursday, 23 February 2017
michelle.desmyter at icann.org
Thu Feb 23 23:25:37 UTC 2017
Please find the attendance of the call attached to this email and the MP3 recording below for the CCWG Auction Proceeds call held on Thursday, 23 February 2017 at 15:00 UTC.
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Adobe Connect chat transcript for Thursday, 23 February 2017
Michelle DeSmyter:Dear All, Welcome to the New gTLD Auction Proceeds CCWG call on Thursday, 23 February 2017 at 15:00 UTC.
Michelle DeSmyter:Meeting wiki page: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__community.icann.org_x_SpvRAw&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=JUdysPqSj5I2VgNyYj2AKdLabsux2MWoYJ4LkKtV4O4&s=bwpj5ZvaNykSCi9jQOF8CYN64Ol489PINGsC0ONoyZk&e=
Erika Mann:I found the Adobe connection. Thanks!
Asha Hemrajani:Good evening from Singapore
Asha Hemrajani:Hello Erika!
Erika Mann:Hi Asha!
Alan Greenberg:Hello all. Attendance a bit sparse, even for 5 miuntes early.
Erika Mann:Hi Alan!
Vanda Scartezini:hi hi everyone!
Vanda Scartezini:hi Erika, nice to see you here
hadia elminiawi:Hello all
Marc Gauw:Hi everyone from a very 'stormy' Amsterdam
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA):Ah, just force 10...
Vanda Scartezini:Beautiful sun shining in this summer here in Sao Paulo
Marc Gauw:growing to 12 in the next hours....brrr
Vanda Scartezini:hi Asha
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA):I will be listen/typing only, as I caught a nasty flu in Iceland, and have no voice...
Julf Helsingius (GNSO NCPH NCA):Marc: KLM has been cancelling flights out of Amsterdam..
Manal Ismail:Hello everyone ..
Asha Hemrajani:Hello Vanda!
Alice Munyua:Hello everyone
de LA CHAPELLE:Hi everyone, sorry I could not join the previous calls.
Marc Gauw:Yes, thats the good news Julf, they fly normally above my house :-)
Vanda Scartezini:hi Alice
Olga Cavalli:Hello all!! good morning from Buenos Aires
Jonathan Robinson:Hello All. We will commence shortly.
Alberto Soto:Hello all!
hadia elminiawi:good evening from egypt
Nadira ALARAJ:Hello everyone
Jonathan Robinson:Please be reminded that meetings are for Members & Participants only. Observers are welcome to change status to Participant but will need to complete DOI and SOI in order to do so.
Dietmar Stefitz:Hi Everyone !
Erika Mann:Hi, hi ... no one is talking?
Jonathan Robinson:Please check your mic is on mute.
Vanda Scartezini:thank you Alan
Ching Chiao:thank Alan
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO:Hello everyone
Marika Konings:Formal call is expected to go out shortly
Erika Mann:Jonathan, Marika - a short summary would be good
Vanda Scartezini:+ 1 Erika
Olga Cavalli:+1 Erika
Alice Munyua:Agree on some of the key areas we will require expert input
hadia elminiawi:when we start the actual work - we shall be able ti dentify where we fall short
elliot noss:+1 hadia
matthew shears:+ 1 also
Erika Mann:Agree with Nadia
Olga Cavalli:+1 Hadia
Alice Munyua:The survey while not objective suggest that we will need expert inout in some key areas. We need to determine at what point this will be required
Alice Munyua:Are the gaps not clear enough from the survey?
Marika Konings:as noted, some external experts were identified that are not part of this assessment, so some of the gaps may be filled by those external experts identified?
Xavier:and Xavier is on the call.
Vanda Scartezini:good to have legal and financial from ICANN Staff
Alice Munyua:Thanks Marika.
Marika Konings:See https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__docs.google.com_document_d_1QtwFa9nCIMq8JYCtBHxAyQraWQ6M-2DiNNP4Kyq6q9Cds_edit&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=JUdysPqSj5I2VgNyYj2AKdLabsux2MWoYJ4LkKtV4O4&s=_lOeJcTjWmibMpHljohwZsG8IOhM6MN2leneArFo0Bo&e= for the external experts identified to date.
Erika Mann:Jonathan - indeed it's good to have Sam next time. My point was to have Xavier as well for another exchange about finance and audit.
Vanda Scartezini:Xavier is grear to help us with a specific knowledge on "how"and "why not"and alternatives in some suggestions
Ching Chiao:please note that Marika circulated a memo / note prepared by Xavier (Note May 2015). This would help us understand a lot better about legal and fudiciary constraints.
Vanda Scartezini:grear= great
matthew shears:agree with Mathieu - in addition to which costs for experts can escalate quickly
Vanda Scartezini:Thnaks Ching I may miss it
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO:I don't think there's any avenue that is a "dead alley". And I agree with Alan experts can show us what is possible
Jonathan Robinson:Please note. No current budget for external expertise. If you do think funds will be required to support this group we need to make it know.
Asha Hemrajani:Agree with Alan's point about the "gotchas"
Nadira ALARAJ:The document is a great compilation of different legal constraints
elliot noss:it would be quite practical to use her for an hour presentation
Jon Nevett:Any expenses we incur should come out of the Auction Proceeds fund and not general operating expenses. We could do that right away out of the interest the funds are earning or as a payback to ICANN at a later time..
hadia elminiawi:+1 elliot
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO:Regarding budget requests, we could start by asking ICANN (Xavier) whether a specific ICANN project is currently active or considered in the Ops Plan ?
elliot noss:-1 jon
Alice Munyua:+1 Elliot
Vanda Scartezini:I alsoa gree with Elliot
elliot noss:given the breadth of things funded, if we need expertise we should get it. I am not terribly in favour of much outside expertise and would not be in favour of asking for budget now
Marika Konings:@Mathieu - I believe the answer is no (not beyond the staff support and services that are currently provided)
elliot noss:I DISAGREED with it
elliot noss:-1 not +1
elliot noss:but a noble effort jon! :-)
Jon Nevett:i think we agree and he doesn't realize it!
elliot noss:haha. maybe!
Alan Greenberg:My question should not be taken as presuming we need funding, I just wanted clarity so we were all on the same page.
Vanda Scartezini:@ alan that was what i understood too- not waste money that can be used in a better program / project
Becky Burr:Jon - re your comment that costs for experts should come out of the auction proceeds, keep in mind that the auction proceeds are completely segregated and unavailable for funding anything until the community has developed and the Board has adopted a community developed policy for distributing the funds.
Becky Burr:The policy may recommend using auction proceeds to replenish ICANN funds in the amount spent by the CCWG on experts, for example, but this can't be done in advance of the policy
Jon Nevett:Becky: Understood, but there is precedent for repaying historical costs. It could be done, but ok if ICANN doesn't want to.
Asha Hemrajani:+1 Becky Jon, I think the focus should be on, as Jonathan has already pointed out, figure out what is the funds required to support the group and work with Xavier to
Asha Hemrajani:see what can be done
Becky Burr:definitely could be done consistent with the policy
elliot noss:love the idea jonathan
Asha Hemrajani:@Jon first the group should figure out what is needed
Becky Burr:when do we discuss the goals and purpose for which auction proceeds should be dispersed?
matthew shears:yes, perhaps reordering as per daniel and then a fast pass
elliot noss:yes and the survey
Erika Mann:I like this recommended approach
Becky Burr:I do like the first pass approach
Nadira ALARAJ:Daniel cluster is very smart way of doing things in two parallel tracks
Vanda Scartezini:yes. debte the goals to achieve
Jon Nevett:The point is that folks on the CCWG should know that what we spend likely will come out of the auction funds and we should be very prudent in what we spend (or ask to spend).
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO:I support the reordering, and concur with Becky that discussion the overall purpose is key.
Becky Burr:Can we add a question about goals/purpose?
Dietmar Stefitz:Good approach! Clear and fast
matthew shears:yes, Becky's question is rather important!
Vanda Scartezini:Yes Becky must be added
Mathieu Weill, ccNSO:Until we've clarified goal / purpose, most questions can't be settled
Asha Hemrajani:Yes we ought to add something about the overarching goals
Asha Hemrajani:Exactly Mathieu
Erika Mann:We should discuss goals in a broader sense, we should at least be able to exclude what should not receive funding
Manal Ismail:JOnathan your voice was breaking sorry of you already asked me to take the floor ..
Vanda Scartezini:goasl like - project that focus on all regions ...
elliot noss:I would suggest that goals should be preceded by survey. this is ICANN. we have all been through these things. we could discuss goals for months! :-)
Erika Mann:Jonathan, we might want to review the principles we definded in the Charter
Vanda Scartezini:yes Elliot, a survey will be a good start point
Marika Konings:One survey question could also be what additional questions need to be answered by the CCWG (not only sub-questions) which could cover the overarching question on goal / purpose?
Vanda Scartezini:could be Marika. will get all issues we are debating here
Manal Ismail:My question was wether we should add to this first question the word 'allocation' along with selection/ranking ..
Erika Mann:That's a good way connecting the key questions to subquestions. Then we can answer these questions and should be able to add new questions if needed.
Manal Ismail:ok thanks Jonathan for the clarification
hadia elminiawi:clustering seems good to me too, however we need to all have the same understanding of what falls under each questions to make educated decisions
Jon Nevett:The four questions -- why is this fund different from all other funds?
Nadira ALARAJ:It will be an anticipated need assessment but might not give good indication
Ching Chiao:sounds good !
Jon Nevett:sorry -- that was a bad joke
Marc Gauw:Jon: it is bigger :-)
Ching Chiao:can name the survey like ... first-round brain dump
Nadira ALARAJ:+1 Ching
Erika Mann:Marika +1
Daniel Dardailler:I'm not sure I understand how many F2F are planned til the end of the year ? Just one at ICANN60 ?
Becky Burr:(I thought it was funny Jon N.)
Erika Mann:We should work with reasonable time constraints
Marika Konings:No F2F meetings are planned in the draft work plan
Vanda Scartezini:push too much not the best solution
Alan Greenberg:As did I Jon! Just had not seen it in a timely manner.
Dietmar Stefitz:As for time, if we have a general specific meeting, we can advance a lot faster. 3 days including esperts,e tc.
Marika Konings:ICANN59 is expected to be policy focused, so not sure if this qualifies as policy?
Nadira ALARAJ:If this initial survey to be combined with group expertise in mind
Nadira ALARAJ:It makes the responses better
judith hellerstein:so does that mean there will not be a room reserved for a meeting
Marika Konings:I don't know if space will be made available for non policy meetings, but we can confirm closing to the date of the meeting.
Vanda Scartezini:i do believe be or not policy is not relevant for use the opportunity to meet F2F
Marie-Noemie Marques:Do we know when we can meet in Copenhagen ?
Dietmar Stefitz:I think it's on 15th of march at 15.00 hours
Daniel Dardailler:so whenever a subset of the group meets f2f, there will be a teleconf with the rest of the group at the same time ?
Alan Greenberg:MArika, if this is worthy of our time, it should not be put on hold due to the name of the meeting!
Marika Konings:Details of the Copenhagen meeting can be found here: https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__schedule.icann.org_event_9npe_ccwg-2Dnew-2Dgtld-2Dauction-2Dproceeds-2Dcross-2Dcommunity-2Dworking-2Dgroup-2Dmeeting&d=DwICaQ&c=FmY1u3PJp6wrcrwll3mSVzgfkbPSS6sJms7xcl4I5cM&r=8_WhWIPqsLT6TmF1Zmyci866vcPSFO4VShFqESGe_5iHWGlBLwwwehFBfjrsjWv9&m=JUdysPqSj5I2VgNyYj2AKdLabsux2MWoYJ4LkKtV4O4&s=kUAqtkQtn0iElIIpFe2dV0_yk4LYkgy3qB6kKpVuHUg&e=
Marika Konings:@Alan - it will be up to the chartering organizations. The SO/ACs will decide on the priorities for the meeting, so if this is one of the topics that is a priority, I'm sure it will get on the schedule :-)
Marika Konings:but there are only 4 days, so tough choices will need to be made
Alan Greenberg:Marika, we are saying the same thing!
Erika Mann:Thank you as well
Marika Konings:@Daniel - remote participation will be available for the meeting in Copenhagen (Adobe connect & phone)
Vanda Scartezini:very productive meeting Tks
hadia elminiawi:Thank you all
Alice Munyua:Thank you
Marc Gauw:Thanks all ! Bye bye
Asha Hemrajani:Thank you all - good to see so many attendees today. This is an important project.
elliot noss:thanks all
Daniel Dardailler:thanks staff and chair, bye
judith hellerstein:bye all
Peter Vergote (.be/ccNSO):Txs. Bye all
Manal Ismail:Thanks ..
Jennifer Chung:thanks all
Vanda Scartezini:Thank you all very productive meeting
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