[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to CCWG-AP

James Gannon james at cyberinvasion.net
Tue Sep 5 15:16:21 UTC 2017


Even if it was its out of scope for this group.

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From: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Dardailler
Sent: 05 September 2017 16:01
To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
Cc: John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>; ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to CCWG-AP

On 2017-09-05 16:50, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> Hello Daniel/Jon
> 
> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Dardailler <danield at w3.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 2017-09-05 16:21, Jon Nevett wrote:
>> 
>>> Sean:  No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to or 
>>> anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon
> 
> SO: Thanks for clarification Jon
> 
>>> 
>> 
>> There was a mixup in the thread at some point between refunding the 
>> applicants of the surplus of applicant fees, and refunding the 
>> applicants going to auctions using the auction benefits. I think the 
>> second is clearly out but I'm still wondering if the first one is a 
>> real option.
> 
> SO: If by "real option" you mean using auction proceed to refund 
> applicants, I don't see why that should be an option at all.

No, I meant using the application legal surplus to refund the applicants (in the 130M); is that a valid option that could be implemented ?


> 
> Regards
> 
>> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> +1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be good
>> to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract) to
>> provide some refunds from auction proceed.
>> 
>> If that is the case i don't think its something within our scope to
>> challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much is
>> really available and accessible in the auction proceeds account.
>> 
>> Regards
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto
>> <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:
>> 
>> do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the
>> return is
>> correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get profitability
>> does so at
>> their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain
>> profitability, does so
>> at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no
>> profitability is
>> obtained.
>> 
>> Regards
>> Alberto
>> 
>> -----Mensaje original-----
>> De: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org
>> [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] En nombre de
>> Daniel
>> Dardailler
>> Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM
>> Para: John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>
>> CC: ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
>> Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board
>> reply to
>> CCWG-AP
>> 
>> On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:
>> Is the current financial position of ICANN really an impediment
>  to
> 
>>> what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was under
>  the
> 
>>> impression that ICANN's budget was healthy enough to implement
>  its
> 
>>> mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot coming
>  from
> 
>>> the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I
>  understand
> 
>>> correctly).
>> 
>> Not really.  ICANN's operating budget is fully committed.  There
>  is
> 
>> indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it's a
>  whole
> 
>> separate can of worms.  It's not ours to spend and since ICANN
>  said
> 
>> the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and ethical
>  thing
> 
>> to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.
> 
> I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven't read the
> contract
> those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but is
> it really
> going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of them
> potentially gone as a business ?
> 
>> R's,
>> John
>> 
>> PS:
>> 
>>> How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN
>  community
> 
>>> (for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give them
>  back
> 
>>> to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the
>  community ?
> 
>> Well, actually, it's the board's money to give away, not ours.
>  We're
> 
>> just offering them advice.
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