[Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to CCWG-AP

Erika Mann erika at erikamann.com
Tue Sep 5 15:17:46 UTC 2017


Indeed.

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 5:16 PM, James Gannon <james at cyberinvasion.net>
wrote:

> Even if it was its out of scope for this group.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-
> bounces at icann.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Dardailler
> Sent: 05 September 2017 16:01
> To: Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> Cc: John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>; ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
> Subject: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board reply to
> CCWG-AP
>
> On 2017-09-05 16:50, Seun Ojedeji wrote:
> > Hello Daniel/Jon
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 3:29 PM, Daniel Dardailler <danield at w3.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 2017-09-05 16:21, Jon Nevett wrote:
> >>
> >>> Sean:  No refunds from the auction proceeds were committed to or
> >>> anticipated. Not sure where this idea is coming from. Jon
> >
> > SO: Thanks for clarification Jon
> >
> >>>
> >>
> >> There was a mixup in the thread at some point between refunding the
> >> applicants of the surplus of applicant fees, and refunding the
> >> applicants going to auctions using the auction benefits. I think the
> >> second is clearly out but I'm still wondering if the first one is a
> >> real option.
> >
> > SO: If by "real option" you mean using auction proceed to refund
> > applicants, I don't see why that should be an option at all.
>
> No, I meant using the application legal surplus to refund the applicants
> (in the 130M); is that a valid option that could be implemented ?
>
>
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:13 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> +1 to that Alberto line of reasoning Alberto. Though it will be good
> >> to know if ICANN has indeed legally committed (as per contract) to
> >> provide some refunds from auction proceed.
> >>
> >> If that is the case i don't think its something within our scope to
> >> challenge we will just then need to clarify from ICANN how much is
> >> really available and accessible in the auction proceeds account.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:38 PM, Alberto Soto
> >> <asoto at ibero-americano.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> do not know how the signed contract is. I do not know if the
> >> return is
> >> correct. Whoever buys a restaurant and does not get profitability
> >> does so at
> >> their own risk. Who buys a domain and does not obtain
> >> profitability, does so
> >> at their own risk. ICANN should not be the guarantee if no
> >> profitability is
> >> obtained.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Alberto
> >>
> >> -----Mensaje original-----
> >> De: ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org
> >> [mailto:ccwg-auctionproceeds-bounces at icann.org] En nombre de
> >> Daniel
> >> Dardailler
> >> Enviado el: Tuesday, September 5, 2017 6:56 AM
> >> Para: John R. Levine <johnl at iecc.com>
> >> CC: ccwg-auctionproceeds at icann.org
> >> Asunto: Re: [Ccwg-auctionproceeds] lotsa money, was Fwd: Board
> >> reply to
> >> CCWG-AP
> >>
> >> On 2017-09-04 23:48, John R. Levine wrote:
> >> Is the current financial position of ICANN really an impediment
> >  to
> >
> >>> what ICANN wants to do in support of its mission ? I was under
> >  the
> >
> >>> impression that ICANN's budget was healthy enough to implement
> >  its
> >
> >>> mission optimally today, with also a large untouched pot coming
> >  from
> >
> >>> the new gTLD application process (unused legal costs if I
> >  understand
> >
> >>> correctly).
> >>
> >> Not really.  ICANN's operating budget is fully committed.  There
> >  is
> >
> >> indeed a lot of unspent new gTLD application money, but it's a
> >  whole
> >
> >> separate can of worms.  It's not ours to spend and since ICANN
> >  said
> >
> >> the price was set to cover their costs, the obvious and ethical
> >  thing
> >
> >> to do will be to refund the excess to the applicants.
> >
> > I kind of agree with the ethical part (although I haven't read the
> > contract
> > those applicants signed and what was promised in writing) but is
> > it really
> > going to be obvious to refund hundreds of applicants, some of them
> > potentially gone as a business ?
> >
> >> R's,
> >> John
> >>
> >> PS:
> >>
> >>> How is it different to give away the funds to the ICANN
> >  community
> >
> >>> (for projects aligned with the ICANN mission) vs. to give them
> >  back
> >
> >>> to the board directly, given that the board is driven by the
> >  community ?
> >
> >> Well, actually, it's the board's money to give away, not ours.
> >  We're
> >
> >> just offering them advice.
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> >> Seun Ojedeji,
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> >> Seun Ojedeji,
> >> Federal University Oye-Ekiti
> >> web:      http://www.fuoye.edu.ng
> >> Mobile: +2348035233535
> >> _alt email: [2]seun.ojedeji at fuoye.edu.ng_
> >>
> >>> Bringing another down does not take you up - think about your
> >>> action!
> >
> >
> >
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